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    Thank you. I will be posting some of the interesting recent results. Hopefully the discussion will remain substantive.

    A couple of developments for J-PH1571>Z38299:

    - Under J-FT134628: Clan Kastrati of Malesi e Madhe and a large part of Lura are now have an Y-DNA connection dating to the Early Middle Ages. This subclade must have been around the northeastern mountains of Albania for a long time, because the Lura lineage is even more closely related (probably Late Middle Ages) to a new result from the Maqellare area.

    - Under J-Y52453: The Y-DNA ties between clans Gash i Gurit, Nikaj and Krasniqe have finally been determined. We have high-resolution results from each one of Krasniqe's brotherhoods, plus one from Nikaj and one from Gash i Gurit. It seems this lineage, which a large number of Albanians from northern Albania and Kosove come from, initially expanded sometime between 1100 and 1500 AD, and then developed into the three clans we know today.

    An interesting detail is that the three results from Krasniqe have closer ties to each-other than to the one from Nikaj, despite many ancestral legends claiming that Nikaj clan descends from Nike Mekshi, the supposed brother of Kole Mekshi.

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    Hi Rrenjet,
    If i may, is it true that YF84044 at I-Y18331* is of Albanian origin ?? And if it is sow, can you tell me the genetic affinity with the Greek YF64626 ( Xenos from Zakynthos ) at I-Y18331*!? Thanks .https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y18331*/

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    On the topic of J2b-PH1751>Y46913 lineages, the Dukaginzāde/Dukagjini line has been confirmed as Y46913>Y47962 which is shared with an Arbėreshė from around Palermo, Sicily, and an Albanian from the city of Lezha in north-western Albania (though his last name possibly indicates origin from the nearby village of Rraboshtė). The TMRCA for this cluster is ~650 ybp, placing the common ancestor for these three samples sometime during the late fourteenth century. Considering that the Dukagjini appear for the first time in the historical record in the late thirteenth century, I think it can be suggested that the Arbėreshė and Albanian from Lezha are descendants of the Dukagjini or that their paternal ancestors belonged to the wider farefisnķ.

    Since this cluster is under PH1751>Y46913, there is also a more distant relation (~900 ybp) with the Y46913>Y126399 lineages that the Krasniqi, Nikaj, and Gashi i Gurit belong to.
    Last edited by Kelmendasi; 05-08-2021 at 04:44 PM.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exercitus View Post
    Hi Rrenjet,
    If i may, is it true that YF84044 at I-Y18331* is of Albanian origin ?? And if it is sow, can you tell me the genetic affinity with the Greek YF64626 ( Xenos from Zakynthos ) at I-Y18331*!? Thanks .https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y18331*/
    He is Albanian from Gjirokaster. I do not have access to YF64626, and YFull has become a little less predictable in the way they classify samples before tree updates, so don't take this with 100% certainty yet, but it seems the Albanian will remain where he is, so with *, parallel with the Polish and Greek samples, or at the very least, he will be very distant from them. Right now, the whole cluster seems quite diverse in South Albania, Macedonia and Northern Greece.

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    Some updates on Albanian mtDNA. Since the last update about 50 new results have been added. The total is now 151. We hope to reach 200 within several months. The most common haplogroups are:

    H - 46.4%
    U (xK) - 15.2%
    J - 9.9%
    W - 5.3%
    T1- 4%
    K - 4%

    The most common subclades are:

    H12a - 5.3%
    J1c2e* - 4.6%
    H55b1 - 4%
    W1c3* - 2.6%
    Other subclades are all 2% or below.

    In comparison to Y-DNA lineages, mtDNA ones remain far more diverse, especially on subclade level. Most of the subclades, even the rarer ones, are dispersed throughout different regions. This may be due to the relatively older age of mtDNA subclades, but it would also be interesting to see if higher female mobility due to traditional family norms of marriage and exogamy have played a significant part in this.

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    anyone know DNA result or Unipaternal DNA of Albanian Gypsies ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balki View Post
    anyone know DNA result or Unipaternal DNA of Albanian Gypsies ?
    Check out this study: https://link.springer.com/article/10...414-010-0432-x.

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    These are some new results from the old brotherhoods of Malesi and Pult areas:

    - E-V13>Y145455>BY191636 from Lopci brotherhood, from the Vajush area in Reē. They moved there from the Shala Valley, where they are still remembered as one of the anas clans. The tester formed a subclade with another Albanian of clan Krasniqe from the Istog, who may originate from Bjake, in today's Mertur, Tropoje. They should be related within 500-900 years, which adds credence their supposed origins from Shale and Mertur.
    - E-V13>L241>PH2180 from a Mavriq family, Llap region. They should be originally from Shale valley, having first moved to Curraj of Nikaj, then to Llap and elsewhere.
    - E-V13 from the Martindreaj brotherhood of Sume, thought to be the oldest inhabitants of Sume. Their Y37 haplotype does not match any of the known E-V13 clusters.
    - E-V13>CTS9320>BY62310 from two anas of Hot families. They match the Kelmend hapotype. The distance should be relatively low, and will be determined very soon. The Hot anas families on the Montenegro side of the border remain to be tested. Boge is also E-V13>BY62310.
    - J2b-M205>Y22079 from the Vuklaj anas brotherhood of Lohje. Since J-M205 has been found in Upper Lohje and in Reē as well, it may have been there a long time.
    - R-Z2705>Y32147 from Dotē of Reē, thought to be the oldest inhabitants there.

    There are also some new results from other families who were discussed as potentially anas in Kastrat and Hot, and they match the main clan clusters, under J2b-L283>PH1751>Y195280 and J2b-L283>Y21878>FT124983, and other families from Nikaj and Krasniqe territory who claim different ancestries are in the clan clusters under J2b-L283>PH1751>Y126399.

    Some of the older results include:
    - E-V13 from Boksh of Plan, who are thought to be anas there.
    - R1b-Z2705>BY105603 from the anas of Shkrel in Xhaj.
    - R1b-Z2705>BY218801 from Kapit of Nikaj, who some regard as anas.
    - R1b-Z2705>FT49932 from some of the older brotherhoods of Grude and very likely Triesh.
    - E-V13>CTS9320>BY62310 from the Gjeēaj brotherhood of Kryezi, but who claim descent from the Shale valley.

    Many brotherhoods, especially on the Montenegro side of the border, are yet to be tested, but the haplogroup distribution in what should be the older population layer of the Malesi and Pult looks typical of Albanian regions.
    Last edited by Rrenjet.; 05-27-2021 at 06:59 PM.

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    I wonder if the Lopēi of Vajush (and the anas of the Shala Valley) are in fact related to the Lopeci bashkėsi or fis that is recorded in the Venetian cadastre of Scutari (1416-1417) across a number of settlements in Malėsi. In the register they are concentrated in the settlement of Grizha (Catholic priests Aleks and Nikollė, Andre, Gjergj, Jon, and Nikollė Lopeci) though also show up in Kerec/ē (Aleks Lopeci) and Rrjoll (Nikollė Lopeci).
    Last edited by Kelmendasi; 05-27-2021 at 10:29 PM.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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