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    This is an interesting project since Albania is located in Southeastern Europe which is a crossroads for many different groups throughout throughout the ages. It seems to focus on the paternal line/clan/tribal lineages of the Gheg Albanians from the north of the country and neighbouring countries such as Montenegro. The main Y-DNA haplogroups among Albanians seem to be E-V13, J2b, R1b, I2 and I1.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...t/default.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    This is an interesting project since Albania is located in Southeastern Europe which is a crossroads for many different groups throughout throughout the ages. It seems to focus on the paternal line/clan/tribal lineages of the Gheg Albanians from the north of the country and neighbouring countries such as Montenegro. The main Y-DNA haplogroups among Albanians seem to be E-V13, J2b, R1b, I2 and I1.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...t/default.aspx
    Of all the above, only the R1b-CTS9219 seems to tie back to the steppes though. It appears like the Greek and Anatolian have similar origins linking back to Ossetia, and an ancestor in Yamnaya. Plenty more Albanian samples are available at YHRD including the populous CTS9219 DYS385ab =11,11 haplotype. I'm not trying to tie everything back to Yamnaya as I realize several threads are ongoing, just pointing out the obvious
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    It is also interesting to note that the Ghegs of northern Albania were one of the last if not the last people in Europe to preserve a tribal type of society. Here is a list of the Albanian tribes many of which have members in this project.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tribes_of_Albania

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    Interesting, I am of Arbereshe ancestry, which from what I have learned were of primarily Tosk Albanian descent. The male descent line in our family is J2b2. We have connections from DNA testing in Greece, Albania as well as Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnamon orange View Post
    Interesting, I am of Arbereshe ancestry, which from what I have learned were of primarily Tosk Albanian descent. The male descent line in our family is J2b2. We have connections from DNA testing in Greece, Albania as well as Italy.
    The males of your family belonging to Y-DNA haplogroup J2b2 goes along quite well with your Arbereshe ancestry.

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    I am Albanian from Western Macedonia and tested as J2b2 on 23andme. I ordered a y-dna 37 marker test on ftdna, but that doesn't seem like it would get deeper into my haplogroup, besides just matching me with other J2b2. I have heard that ftdna is supposed to release a deep clade test for SNPs associated with certain haplogroups. Does anyone now when and how much it will cost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    I am Albanian from Western Macedonia and tested as J2b2 on 23andme. I ordered a y-dna 37 marker test on ftdna, but that doesn't seem like it would get deeper into my haplogroup, besides just matching me with other J2b2. I have heard that ftdna is supposed to release a deep clade test for SNPs associated with certain haplogroups. Does anyone now when and how much it will cost...
    The Big Y test is the best Y-DNA test at FTDNA as it tests a whole bunch of SNPs to narrow down your haplogroup considerably. It is quite expensive though at $525.00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    I ordered a y-dna 37 marker test on ftdna, but that doesn't seem like it would get deeper into my haplogroup, besides just matching me with other J2b2. I have heard that ftdna is supposed to release a deep clade test for SNPs associated with certain haplogroups. Does anyone now when and how much it will cost...
    1) If you have close matches at 37 markers who have already tested more deeply (e.g., the Big Y), you will have a good indication of your own deep classification.

    2) Besides the expensive Big Y ($575, or $475 with a coupon), FTDNA is indeed slowly beginning to offer SNP Packs--usually at an introductory price of $99, but quickly going up to $119. I myself submitted a proposal for R1a-Z280 back in November, but have heard absolutely nothing since then. I don't know whether anyone even submitted a proposal for J-M241 (or its European subclade, J-L283).

    3) You could ask Yseq to compose a SNP test suite for J-L283.
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    Most of the Albanian R1b-CTS9219 belong to the so called "Balkan cluster", with 393=13 and 385=11,11.
    It is proven to have its own subbranch A1777/BY611/Y10789 different than "East European" and surprisingly it clusters with samples from Spain.
    Regarding J2b2, a Bulgarian with Big Y (I suppose some Albanians should be close to him) proved to belong to J2b-Z584* Z638-
    There are also several Albanians with Geno 2.0 J2b-Z1043

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    This study of Albanian Y-chromsomes shows J2b to be more common overall among Ghegs compared to Tosks. E-V13 is the most common haplogroup among the Ghegs overall though and probably is among the Tosks as well. R1b is also rather common among both Albanian sub-groups while I (mainly I2a probably) seems to be more common overall among Tosks but of course is also present among Ghegs.

    http://link.springer.com/article/10....414-010-0432-x

    http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/2010/03/...pulations.html

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