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Thread: R-L217[.1] (R1b1a2a1a1a7 - YCC 2010) Information

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    R-L217[.1] (R1b1a2a1a1a7 - YCC 2010) Information

    For all data miners out there, public R-L217[.1] number nine has turned up.

    He is FamilyTreeDNA kit# 230795.

    For completeness, here are the other eight public R-L217[.1] FamilyTreeDNA Kit #'s:

    2599
    23545
    53595
    194170
    232315
    206551
    N50419
    N87046

    I would recommend that people with the following surnames and who belong to haplogroup R-U106 also test for SNP L217 from FamilyTreeDNA 'Advanced Tests': Goodson, Hickman, King, Manning and Pitts.

    Clinton P
    Last edited by Clinton P; 10-15-2012 at 07:36 AM.
    • FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    • YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Clinton P For This Useful Post:

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    Congratulations, Clinton.

    Is there anything you could post that would look like "the story of L217" ? What is known about the history of the SNP ??

    BTW, do all L217+ have their geographic origin defined in their FT-DNA profile ??

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    The story of L217 is still a little uncertain. There appears to be three distinct ‘flavours’ headed by: Lovell, Modling and the remainder.

    Lovell appears to be out on his own.

    Modling appears to be associated with Hickman, King, Manning and Pitts.

    The remainder are Francis, Goodson, Kirk, Lovell, Mallett, Platt, Smith and Walker.

    An analysis of surnames alone would indicate that L217 is English. However, two of the above claim French ancestry, and one has Romany Gypsy ancestry. Examining the surnames at ‘worldnames public profiler’ gives a distribution in the form of an approximate linear swathe from the SW of England to the English Midlands. Most L217 currently in the United States of America appears to date back to early colonisation (mid 1600’s to mid 1700’s).

    There have been various calculations as to the age of L217, and most give an age not much younger than U106 itself. This fits in, given the high level of STR variance within the known L217 haplotypes. Assuming the age of L217 is slightly less than U106, I expect that L217 would be found on the continent.

    The only off-modal marker that remains consistently the same in all the L217 haplotypes is DYS520=21. As a consequence, potential candidates, can only be detected if they have at least 67 markers.

    Other unusual markers that have at least one occurrence within L217 haplotypes are DYS390=21, YCAIIa/b=19/22, DYS425=null, DYS617=11 and DYS492=14.

    Clinton P
    • FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    • YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    L217 No. 10

    Public R-L217[.1] number 10 has turned up.

    He is FamilyTreeDNA kit# 217725.


    Clinton P
    • FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    • YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    L217 No. 11

    Public R-L217[.1] number 11 has turned up.

    He is FamilyTreeDNA kit# 23884.


    Clinton P
    • FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    • YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    L217 Nos. 12 & 13

    Public R-L217[.1] numbers 12 and 13 have turned up.

    They are FamilyTreeDNA kit#'s 37639 and 66355.


    Clinton P
    • FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    • YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    R-L217 Summary

    A list of public FamilyTreeDNA Kits that are derived for SNP L217 (R1b1a2a1a1a7 - FTDNA 2010, R1b1a2a1a1a1 - ISOGG 2012).

    Code:
          Kit#    Surname   Origin          STRs    Ysearch ID
    1.     2599   WALKER    Unknown Origin   111    U4EJD
    2.    23545   PLATT     England          111    R464G
    3.    23884   HICKMAN   Unknown Origin    67    38N4A
    4.    37639   PITT(S)   Unknown Origin    37    S6EWG
    5.    53595   MODLING   United Kingdom    67    ???
    6.    66355   KING      Unknown Origin    67    ???
    7.   194170   LOVELL    United Kingdom    67    ???
    8.   206551   GOODSON   Unknown Origin    37    X8AWP
    9.   217725   MANNING   France            67    3WGRS
    10.  230795   KIRK      England           67    UVRHV
    11.  232315   GOODSON   England          111    XR789
    12.  N50419   GOODSON   Ireland           12    5QKW5
    13.  N87046   SMITH     France           111    ???
    
    28 Dec. 2012
    Clinton P
    • FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    • YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    Hello,just joined this forum.I was surfing the web to find out about my L217 and came across this forum,that also had my kit number.It is 66355,Absolum B. King.Even though I belong to FTDNA,I still don't understand much about the whole DNA,thing.
    I joined FTDNA,in hopes that it would get me past my GGGrandfather,Absolum B. King.All it has done id make it MORE complicated.Now,they come up with the L217 and that is purely beyond me.The moderator of the Kings on FTDNA,is of absolutely NO help.He assumes that everybody knows as much about DNA,as he does.Not the case.Anyway,I wanted to tell you,my first cousin,Bobby King,kit # 172900,also took the DNA test.I thought that we'd match,100%.Not the case.The moderator told me that even brothers don't match 100%,all the time.That sure doesn't help my case.Here's my problem.I match more Pitts,than Kings.I cannot test Bobby as he passed away 1 month after taking the test.Does anybody on here know anything that may help me,or could get me a little more knowledgeable about this DNA.FTDNA sure as heck hevent helped.Thanks,Terry (male)

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    L217 No. 14

    Public R-L217[.1] number 14 has turned up.

    He is FamilyTreeDNA kit# N81545.

    This is a new surname to the R-L217[.1] group.

    Code:
          Kit#    Surname   Origin          STRs    Ysearch ID
    1.     2599   WALKER    Unknown Origin   111    U4EJD
    2.    23545   PLATT     England          111    R464G
    3.    23884   HICKMAN   Unknown Origin    67    38N4A
    4.    37639   PITT(S)   Unknown Origin    37    S6EWG
    5.    53595   MODLING   United Kingdom    67    ???
    6.    66355   KING      Unknown Origin    67    ???
    7.   194170   LOVELL    United Kingdom    67    ???
    8.   206551   GOODSON   Unknown Origin    37    X8AWP
    9.   217725   MANNING   France            67    3WGRS
    10.  230795   KIRK      England           67    UVRHV
    11.  232315   GOODSON   England          111    XR789
    12.  N50419   GOODSON   Ireland           12    5QKW5
    13.  N81545   HALL      United Kingdom    67    5KFX8
    14.  N87046   SMITH     France           111    ???
    
    08 May 2013
    Clinton P
    • FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    • YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    L217 No. 15

    Public R-L217[.1] number 15 has turned up.

    He is FamilyTreeDNA kit# N32126.

    This is a new surname to the R-L217[.1] group.

    Code:
         
          Kit#    Surname   Origin          STRs    Ysearch ID
    1.     2599   WALKER    Unknown Origin   111    U4EJD
    2.    23545   PLATT     England          111    R464G
    3.    23884   HICKMAN   Unknown Origin    67    38N4A
    4.    37639   PITT(S)   Unknown Origin    37    S6EWG
    5.    53595   MODLING   United Kingdom    67    ???
    6.    66355   KING      Unknown Origin    67    ???
    7.   194170   LOVELL    United Kingdom    67    ???
    8.   206551   GOODSON   Unknown Origin    37    X8AWP
    9.   217725   MANNING   France            67    3WGRS
    10.  230795   KIRK      England           67    UVRHV
    11.  232315   GOODSON   England          111    XR789
    12.  N32126   BLACKBURN United Kingdom    67    ???
    13.  N50419   GOODSON   Ireland           12    5QKW5
    14.  N81545   HALL      United Kingdom    67    5KFX8
    15.  N87046   SMITH     France           111    ???
    
    07 July 2013
    Clinton P
    Last edited by Clinton P; 07-07-2013 at 10:11 PM. Reason: date added to table
    • FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    • YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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