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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    Isnt it L2? But not L1b?
    Few L1’s(other ancient samples) and one L2(which should be L1b AKA L-M317)
    Last edited by jesus; 04-02-2018 at 04:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    Few L1’s(other ancient samples) and one L2(which should be L1b AKA L-M317)
    I can't find a note of which tree version they are using, but as they have labelled L-M27 as L1a1 (e.g. HG03686) and L-M357 as L1a2 (e.g. HG03672), I think L2 must be L-L595 not L-M317.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    Congrats we finally have an ancient sample from tepe hissar, Iran. They were mostly Iran Neolithic with 9% EHG. He was mtDNA W3b.
    What study is this please? Any online source?
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    L-M20 > L595

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    In some places I read that L2 is L595.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    What study is this please? Any online source?
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/31/292581

    The article is mainly concerned with autosomal DNA but there are Y-DNA and mtDNA calls in the supplementary info. Unfortunately the Y-DNA haplogroups are given in the SNP-less form (L1a, L1b etc) which is ambiguous without a reference to a tree and version/date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caspian View Post
    I've signed important (more than 5%) L1b-Pontic Cluster frequencies on the map.


    (X is known oldest location of my paternal ancestors)
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    Mountain Jews: 20% (Yunusbayev et al. 2011)

    *Mountain Jews have a specific haploptype. Haplotype of Mountain Jews isn't called as "Pontic Cluster" on FTDNA Haplogroup L project, but Mountain Jewish samples are clustered with Pontic Cluster on all phylogenetic trees. Closest matches of Mountain Jews belong to Pontic Cluster. I've listed their closest matches on the Ysearch as below:

    Interesting that L1b only found among Mountain Jews from Dagestan, but not among Mountain Jews from Azerbaijan. L1b's subclades aren't common among Jewish communities therefore I think this Mountain Jewish L1b is a Judaized native lineage in Caucasus.
    Note that the Yunusbayev et al. 2011 study is not representative when it comes to the Mountain Jewish yDNA due to the low sample size (N=10). My estimate would put Hg L at 5-10% of the total Mountain Jewish population.
    Its origin and introduction to the MJ community is still a mystery to me. Its carriers seem to lack the PH8 mutation that is prevalent in Pontic Greeks, which would put the point of divergence at least 7,700 ybp.
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    Among the approx. 900 tested samples taken from all over Lebanon, L1b was found in the region I am from which makes me quite positive (70% sure) that I might be L1b as well. Not to mention we are so close from the North which is a haplogroup L abundant area.

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    The Lebanese samples were subjected to control and also exclusion from studies, especially the output of the L according to the old samples and depending on the site Yfull




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    Quote Originally Posted by sultan View Post
    The Lebanese samples were subjected to control and also exclusion from studies, especially the output of the L according to the old samples and depending on the site Yfull




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    Thanks, so what I understood is that L1b in Lebanon dates back to approx. 5200 BC? And it came from the Western Euphrates region in Syria? Sounds plausible and awesome. It would be interesting if there is a reason they put it on the mountain because L1b is concentrated in the Mountains. By the way how can I access the map in YFULL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe12 View Post
    Thanks, so what I understood is that L1b in Lebanon dates back to approx. 5200 BC? And it came from the Western Euphrates region in Syria? Sounds plausible and awesome. It would be interesting if there is a reason they put it on the mountain because L1b is concentrated in the Mountains. By the way how can I access the map in YFULL?
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