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    Surprising Pale pigmentation in Mesolithic Motala HGs

    Geneticker posted calls for many of Haak 2015s' genomes in phenotype SNPs. The most surprising results to me come from the Motala HGs who lived in Mesolithic Sweden about 8,000 years ago. It appears they were much paler than their swathy neighbors in (WHG)west Europe.

    https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015...storic-europe/

    Light eyes: 7/7 had rs12913832 GG.

    Light hair: 3/7 had red hair variants. Motala 9(I0016) had two and is predicted by Hirisplex to have had red hair. Motala 4(I0014) had a derived allele in rs12821256 which is strongly associated with blonde hair.

    Light skin: 3/5(2 got no call) had AA and 1/5 had G/A in rs146654. 4/7 had GG and 2/7 had GC in rs16891982.

    Another depigmentation marker in the Motala HGs: 5/5(2 got no call) had TT or TC in rs12203592.

    I added the Motalas to my ancient Hirisplex spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Fjc/edit#gid=0

    Note that Sf11 a Mesolithic man from the Baltic had GG in rs16891982 like most of the Motala samples. It's possible that Mesolithic Scandinavians were much paler than other Mesolithic Europeans. Although they share some depigmentation with other Mesolithic Europeans. All Mesolithic west Euros so far sampled also have light eyes and a derived allele in rs12203592(except K01). Furthermore, Karelia_HG from Mesolithic Karelia had AA in rs146654 and CG in rs16891982.
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    I notice that one of the Motala hunter-gatherers carried the red hair variant you and I both carry: Arg160Trp (rs1805008):

    Motala HG I0016 CT
    Very cool!

    If you remember, I speculated that red hair was a trait that arose among the Mesolithic population of Europe. Well, there's evidence of at least one variant among them.
     


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    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Well there goes my Theory that the farmers brought the depigmentation genes. Looks like the Motala/Karelia HGs had them before the farmers ever got to Europe, and the LNE farmers were missing them.

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    Here's what I gathered from the results as far as red hair variants are concerned.

    1. Motala HG I0013 TC - Carrier, Ile155Thr (rs1110400)

    2. LBK EN I0025 GA - Carrier, Arg142His (rs11547464)

    3. Bell Beaker LN I0113 CT - Carrier, Arg151Cys (rs1805007)

    4. Halberstadt LBA I0099 TC - Carrier, Arg151Cys (rs1805007)

    5. Motala HG I0012 CT - Carrier, Arg151Cys (rs1805007)

    6. Motala HG I0016 CT - Carrier, Arg151Cys (rs1805007)*

    7. Motala HG I0016 CT - Carrier, Arg160Trp (rs1805008)*

    8. Halberstadt LBA I0099 GC - Carrier, Asp294His (rs1805009)

    *Motala HG I0016 carried two red hair variants, Arg151Cys and Arg160Trp, and so may have actually had red hair.
     


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    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I notice that one of the Motala hunter-gatherers carried the red hair variant you and I both carry: Arg160Trp (rs1805008):



    Very cool!

    If you remember, I speculated that red hair was a trait that arose among the Mesolithic population of Europe. Well, there's evidence of at least one variant among them.
    Yep, you called it. The oldest (Likely)redhead has Y DNA I2a1-P327* and mtDNA U5a2*, not R1b and some form of H.

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    Very suprising that some of the Motala samples carry the Mongoloid EDAR gene. Those same samples carry MC1R. Maybe acquired from contact with the neighboring N1c Uralic population?

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    I'm starting to think some Mesolithic Euros looked like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krefter View Post
    I'm starting to think some Mesolithic Euros looked like this.
    I find it really disappointing that the technology used in a project like this : http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.VPsvwOEe0-o
    hasn't been applied to aDNA yet. Finding out what the ancient samples looked like is something that should totally be attainable with great accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krefter View Post
    I'm starting to think some Mesolithic Euros looked like this.
    I have neighbors who look like that!
     


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    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Very interesting discovery. So not all European hunter gatherers looked the same, even though they were similar autosomally.

    This coupled with Hungary samples shows that even autosomes aren't a great predictor for looks.
    Last edited by Augustus; 03-07-2015 at 08:10 PM.

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