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    Good news. A descendant of one my mystery men candidates recently contacted me out of the blue and has ordered a 23andme test. I don’t have permission to say more, but will keep you all posted.

    If true, this individual would be a half 2nd cousin to my father. Average centimorgans shared is 117 cM, with a range is 9-397

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    From post#1 in this thread

    When my great great grandmother Elizabeth Margaret Mitchell came to the US in 1909, she traveled with and lived in the US with a William Keeling Syson (WKS), his wife and their daughter. WKS was born in 1870 in Manchester, England and immigrated to the US in 1894. In 1909 WKS' daughter got sick on a trip to England and EMM traveled to the US with them as the family nurse. She was living with the Syson family in the 1910 census. I've wondered if WKS also might be the father...

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    Good news. A descendant of one my mystery men candidates recently contacted me out of the blue and has ordered a 23andme test. I don’t have permission to say more, but will keep you all posted.

    If true, this individual would be a half 2nd cousin to my father. Average centimorgans shared is 117 cM, with a range is 9-397
    The results came in yesterday. There was no match to my father or his paternal half sister to this descendant of William Keeling Syson.

    So I can remove him from the list of possible mystery men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
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    The results came in yesterday. There was no match to my father or his paternal half sister to this descendant of William Keeling Syson.

    So I can remove him from the list of possible mystery men.
    I can't remember from past posts, but did EMM and her son, your great grandfather, link up in the USA? By any chance do you have a picture of EMM which you can share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C J Wyatt III View Post
    I can't remember from past posts, but did EMM and her son, your great grandfather, link up in the USA? By any chance do you have a picture of EMM which you can share?
    I have no pix of EMM. She came to the US in 1909. Her son came over in 1913. He was fortunate he came over when he did. 1 year later and he would have been caught up in WW I.

    Speaking of WW I, in 1909 EMM came to the US on the Lusitania.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C J Wyatt III View Post
    I can't remember from past posts, but did EMM and her son, your great grandfather, link up in the USA? By any chance do you have a picture of EMM which you can share?
    I do have a picture of my father's paternal grandfather, Edward Leopold Mitchell. Son of the mystery man. I believe he was a Fire Marshal or Fire Safety Inspector during the 1930's and 40's (He was a Captain at the Knoxville, TN Fire Department when he retired in 1950).



    My father recently turned 80 years old. He's in good shape and says he's shooting for 90, so I'm hoping the mystery will be solved while he's still with us
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I do have a picture of my father's paternal grandfather, Edward Leopold Mitchell. Son of the mystery man. He was a Fire Marshal in Knoxville, TN during the 1930's and 40's.

    My father recently turned 80 years old. He's in good shape and says he's shooting for 90, so I'm hoping the mystery will be solved while he's still with us
    Hope so, too. Thanks for the interesting picture.

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    Some additional pix of Edward Leopold Mitchell

    Doing some fireman training. I'm guessing he's in his 30s here


    In this picture from a 1950 newpaper article he's 57 years old. Paper has a rip in it.


    He's probably in his 60s in this one
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    Since I have no progress to share at the moment on my own brick wall mystery, I thought I would share a success story on my wife's side.

    Like me, my father-in-law has a paternal line brick wall. I've not been able to get past his great great grandfather, who was born in eastern Tennessee in 1817.

    A few weeks ago, I upgraded my father-in-law's FTDNA 37 marker test to 111 markers, and now he has this match with a genetic distance of 1 at 111 markers. This same match is also an autosomal match (63cM total shared, 27cm largest segment). FTDNA calls this a 2-4th cousin range, which is often optimistic, but according to this chart, it has to be a 6th cousin or closer.
     


    This match's paternal line also passes through eastern Tennessee; and he and my FIL share matches with the same surname (Monday), and 3 of the 4 "Monday" matches descend from the same married couple that were born in the mid 1700's and died in the 1st half of the 1800's (4th match's public tree doesn't show his Monday ancestor)

    One of these matches shares 110 cm with my FIL, so that would mean it would have to be a 5th cousin or closer (according to the chart).

    This couple had at least 4 sons; As this husband would have been 65 years old at the time of conception, odds are, it was one of his sons.

    Monday Match #1 (110cM total dna shared, largest segment 50cM),descends from son A Robert Monday. Based on her family tree, she would be either be a half 3rd cousin once removed, or 4th cousin once removed to my FIL

    Monday Match #2 (64cM total dna shared, largest segment 41cM), descends from son Joshua Monday. Based on her family tree, she also would be either be a half 3rd cousin once removed, or 4th cousin once removed to my FIL

    Monday Match #3 (63cM total dna shared, 27cM largest segment, & 111 marker match) descends from son Joshua Monday. Based on his family tree, he also would either be a half 3rd cousin once removed, or 4th cousin once removed to my FIL

    Monday Match #4 (57cM total dna shared, 30cM largest segment) His tree doesn't show his Monday ancestor.

    The chart in the link shows half 3rd cousin once removed have 0-139cM with an average of 37cM.
    4th cousins are 0-139cm with an average of 35cM.

    So the 3 matches above with Family trees are within the range and above average in shared cM.

    Just amazing how quickly I can smash through other family mystery brick walls, but make little progress on my mystery man.
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    My brother-in-law has a good STR match with an East TN Monday guy. Downstream of haplogroup G-L497. But I think that Monday has an NPE and doesn't match a lot of other Mondays; don't know for sure. If your inlaws are G-L497 (in red or green), let me know to pursue it. My inlaw is well tested (BigY, not the 700 version, surname Litton) but I'm not aware that his Monday match is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    My brother-in-law has a good STR match with an East TN Monday guy. Downstream of haplogroup G-L497. But I think that Monday has an NPE and doesn't match a lot of other Mondays; don't know for sure. If your inlaws are G-L497 (in red or green), let me know to pursue it. My inlaw is well tested (BigY, not the 700 version, surname Litton) but I'm not aware that his Monday match is.
    My FIL hasn't done any SNP testing but FTDNA is calling him G-M201 based on his STR results.

    His 2nd closet match GD=2, has surname Litton and is G-Z30791.
    Another GD=2 match has surname Looze.
    After that the GD jumps to 8 with G-P303. Surname Keyes
    GD=9: G-BY62699, Surnames: Keys, zakay, Key
    GD=10: G-Z30791, Surname: Tatum
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