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Thread: Help me to solve a family Mystery: My paternal line before my great grandfather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    A few months ago I created a ysearch.org account that only contained the STR values that my father's kit shares with his only other match on his current terminal branch and named it Y9080 (ytree name for this branch).

    A few weeks ago I noticed that one the perfect matches for y9080 also was one of my father's closet 67 marker matches...although too distant to show up on ftdna. His genetic distance is 8 to 12 depending on which method is used.

    I contacted this individual and he agreed to take a SNP test at yseq for one of the 6 SNPs on my terminal branch.
    I requested FGC12401 be created using yseq's wishlist function for this purpose.

    Should know the results in a few weeks.
    Great. Is it a different surname? I know you have been looking for a pre-1893 match for a long time.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    Great. Is it a different surname? I know you have been looking for a pre-1893 match for a long time.
    Yes a different surname. I should ask for his permission before I mention it on here.
    The ysearch.org user name for R-Y9080 is 7YNXQ.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 07-31-2015 at 11:28 PM.
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    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Yes a different surname. I should ask for his permission before I mention it on here.
    The ysearch.org user name for R-Y9080 is 7YNXQ.
    Permission granted. Surname is "Guess"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Permission granted. Surname is "Guess"
    Why guess when you could just tell me...(a little "who's on first" type humor there )
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    Why guess when you could just tell me...(a little "who's on first" type humor there )
    I was tempted to go that route but I'm trying to maintain some dignity in this thread...unlike others I participate in

    I'm hopeful this effort will bear some fruit, but if you run the 0 GD report for 7YNXQ, you will see a lot of R-L21 McConnells which is obviously not a good match. The Roberts match is my terminal branch match. FGC12378 is the modal values for the branch above my terminal branch.

    I'm not sure what the 88 test is but I think it's associated with R-CTS4528...if so it also isn't a good match

    User ID - Last Name - Origin - Haplogroup - Tested With - Markers Compared/Genetic Distance
    2PJVS - Mitchell - Unknown - R1b1a2a1a1b3c (tested) - Family Tree DNA - 63/0
    7YNXQ - R-Y9080 Modal - Unknown - R1b1a2a1a1b3c* - Family Tree DNA - 63/0
    A6T8D - Roberts - England - R1b1a2a1a1b3c* - Family Tree DNA - 62/0
    QPWW9 - 88 test - Unknown - R1b1a2a1a1* - Family Tree DNA - 61/0
    ZKYFC - FGC12378/ Modal - Unknown - R1b1a2a1a1b3c* - Family Tree DNA - 51/0
    VK47K - McConnell - Ireland - R1b1a2a1a1b4 (tested) - Family Tree DNA - 42/0
    NTNDN - A92 - Unknown - R1b* - Family Tree DNA -42/0
    EAX9S - McConnell - Unknown - Unknown - Family Tree DNA - 42/0
    HAP8P - McConnell - USA - R1b1a2a1a1b4 (tested) - Family Tree DNA - 42/0
    B8XG2 - McConnell - Scotland - R1b1a2a1a1b4 (tested) - Family Tree DNA - 42/0
    DBJGU - McConnell - Unknown - Unknown - Family Tree DNA - 42/0
    DS8K9 - Pierce - Schwedler/Svedlar, Slovakia - Unknown - Family Tree DNA - 42/0
    5P245 - Guess - Unknown - Unknown - Family Tree DNA - 42/0
    2KF5F - Rodgerson Annan, Dumfriesshire, Scotland - R1b1a2a1a1b3c (tested) - Family Tree DNA - 33/0
    66R5W - Heymans - South Africa - Unknown - Other - SMGF - 22/0
    VYMMM - Unknown - Unknown - Unknown - Other - Genebase - 22/0
    8XXYM - davidson-modal - Inverness-shire, Scotland - Unknown - Other - 21/0
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 08-01-2015 at 02:43 PM.
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    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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    Just to clarify where we are: If the Guess STR match turns out to be a SNP match on terminal SNP FGC12401, we are talking about a match that is still in the pre genealogical time frame...it may be 1000 to 3000 years ago.

    Best case scenario is that he's a match on additional private SNPs and I move my terminal branch 1000 to 2000 years closer to the present (currently my terminal branch is at around 3000 years ago)

    So even if its' a positive match it's not going to solve the mystery...but it will get me one step closer.
    Y-DNA R-Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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    Progress, is progress....and your Guess is good as mine. (Couldn't help myself) We in the WHEATON FGC22501 group have gotten a bit of company lately which I did not expect so soon. One of the Big Y testers has sent their BAM file to FGC at my request and Greg said he would update our report when it is done. A HUGE thanks to Rich Rocca for keeping on top of these new matches. Mitchell my hope is that you will get a break one of these days soon! Fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Just to clarify where we are: If the Guess STR match turns out to be a SNP match on terminal SNP FGC12401, we are talking about a match that is still in the pre genealogical time frame...it may be 1000 to 3000 years ago.

    Best case scenario is that he's a match on additional private SNPs and I move my terminal branch 1000 to 2000 years closer to the present (currently my terminal branch is at around 3000 years ago)

    So even if its' a positive match it's not going to solve the mystery...but it will get me one step closer.
    Fascinating and exciting. It is interesting how tightly the "Guess" surname is distributed in England in the 1881 Census distribution maps, though the connection would be way back. In paper genealogy rare surnames linked to specific locations can act like markers in a way. I look forward to learning more of your progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
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    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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