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    307 Y chromosomes (by Estonian Biocentre) includes rare Croatian Q-Y6793

    The Estonian Biocentre recently released 307 high-coverage Y chromosome sequences. According to the provided metainfo spreadsheet, one of them was a Q1d from Mostar, Croatia. (The authors have apparently constructed their own incompatible haplotree, which is not available to us yet.) The data for this Q1d is in folder GS000020363-DID.

    I extracted the vcfBeta file, and found that this sample was derived at
    Y6793
    Y6847
    M2520

    Thus, he clearly belongs to the rare Q-Y6793, for which YFull has a Bosnian Big Y example (as well as a research sample labeled Sri Lankan Tamil in the UK).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    The Estonian Biocentre recently released 307 high-coverage Y chromosome sequences. According to the provided metainfo spreadsheet, one of them was a Q1d from Mostar, Croatia. (The authors have apparently constructed their own incompatible haplotree, which is not available to us yet.) The data for this Q1d is in folder GS000020363-DID.

    I extracted the vcfBeta file, and found that this sample was derived at
    Y6793
    Y6847
    M2520

    Thus, he clearly belongs to the rare Q-Y6793, for which YFull has a Bosnian Big Y example (as well as a research sample labeled Sri Lankan Tamil in the UK).

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    Didn't realize there was a Q1d. (only thought it was mostly Q1a and Q1b). I remember looking at this study and it also showed something called I3. Was that an error or a real new y dna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    I extracted the vcfBeta file, and found that this sample was derived at
    Y6793
    Y6847
    M2520
    I now notice that the Estonian sequences also include a so-called Q1d from Nepal. Sure enough, he has the three SNPs listed above, and so is also Q-Y6793.

    YFull's Bosnian example (YF02110) has 63 reliable novel SNPs (44 best, 19 acceptable). The Croatian Q1d (among the Estonian sequences) shares 55 of those 63.
    Last edited by lgmayka; 03-11-2015 at 01:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtoboard View Post
    Didn't realize there was a Q1d. (only thought it was mostly Q1a and Q1b). I remember looking at this study and it also showed something called I3. Was that an error or a real new y dna?
    The authors have made up their own haplotree. Their Q1d is our Q-Y6793. But I suspect the I3 really is something new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    The Estonian Biocentre recently released 307 high-coverage Y chromosome sequences. According to the provided metainfo spreadsheet, one of them was a Q1d from Mostar, Croatia. (The authors have apparently constructed their own incompatible haplotree, which is not available to us yet.) The data for this Q1d is in folder GS000020363-DID.

    I extracted the vcfBeta file, and found that this sample was derived at
    Y6793
    Y6847
    M2520

    Thus, he clearly belongs to the rare Q-Y6793, for which YFull has a Bosnian Big Y example (as well as a research sample labeled Sri Lankan Tamil in the UK).
    A new branch of Q-YP1600 under Q-Y6793.
    Below SNPs common to YF02110 (BIH) and croat11 (Croatia):
    YP1571-YP1625.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    According to the provided metainfo spreadsheet, one of them was a Q1d from Mostar, Croatia.
    Although the sample is indeed ethnically Croatian, the city of Mostar is in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    The authors have made up their own haplotree. Their Q1d is our Q-Y6793. But I suspect the I3 really is something new.
    My hunch is that it's I2c, the type of low-moderate frequency in Europe and Caucasus. I believe one of the Motalas was retested in Haak and it was part of this clade. I really need to double check that though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    My hunch is that it's I2c, the type of low-moderate frequency in Europe and Caucasus.
    Bernie Cullen wrote to the Haplogroup I mailing list:
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    We briefly checked the "I3" sample (35473) from Abkhazia, Georgia in the Estonian Biocentre data.

    As Ken [Nordtvedt] predicted, it is M438+,

    L596+ (14197631 C to T),

    L597+,

    PF3827+ (22444387 T to A)

    so it is I2c2 according to the ISOGG tree

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