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    P314.2 (R1b-L21>DF13>DF21>P314.2)

    There has been very little talk of P314.2 on this site. There was an interested group of people which had a great combination of energy and skills involved in this a year or so back but its gone very quiet. There is a yahoo group on this but I think it would be great if we could get some of the people and the info over onto this site. If anyone has date etc that they could paste or link into this thread it would be much appreciated.

    The yahoo group is http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/RP314Project/info

    I have forgoten my login details though
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    One of several WF threads about it:

    http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/i...p?topic=9347.0

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    Thanks for digging that out. I think on the yahoo group site there are some very nice trees and calculations. Like I said, I have long ago forgotten my login details so I cannot get back in.

    The clade is interesting because although there is a fairly tight isles cluster there are also some serious STR outliers on the northern continent who I presume are responsible for a lot of the age of the SNP

    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    One of several WF threads about it:

    http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/i...p?topic=9347.0
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    I just invited about 16 people from the old P314.2 yahoo group to this thread.

    A key person is Nigel. He did a lot of the work.

    You might ask David Reynolds or one of the other admins on the DF21 project to send a broadcast email to the P314.2 subgroup in the project. That is probably the most comprehensive list.

    Here is the URL for this thread so you can forward it to people.
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...1-gt-P314-2%29

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    Here is the extensive chart that Nigel created around six months ago. With his permission, I included a link to his chart at my web site under my analysis of L362. There is a lot of speculation of the evolution the YSTR mutations, but this is excellent work. The only thing that I could not convince Nigel as an improvement was to add surname cluster nodes into the descendancy chart. The discovery of L362 really helped with this analysis and future YSNP discoveries should firm up these connections. This is one the best attempts to take on the complex task of connecting all submissions under a YSNP that is about as old as can be done (around 1,500 to 2,000 years old):

    http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/R_L21/L362...e_20130305.pdf

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    That great Mike. I just couldnt remember my password and couldnt get back in. That was a good little group of people. You are right there were several great contributors and Nigel was superb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    I just invited about 16 people from the old P314.2 yahoo group to this thread.

    A key person is Nigel. He did a lot of the work.

    You might ask David Reynolds or one of the other admins on the DF21 project to send a broadcast email to the P314.2 subgroup in the project. That is probably the most comprehensive list.

    Here is the URL for this thread so you can forward it to people.
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...1-gt-P314-2%29

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    P314.2 Tree

    I have just updated the P314.2 tree referenced by others, and have sent a copy to Robert Casey for his site. It is also posted on Skibb Girl's Cork Genealogy site. As it claims copyright it may not be possible to post here but you have the links. I will consider Robert's comments on node points for future updates.

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    Can anyone link or paste the most up to date interpretations on the dating of P314.2 and its subdivisions?

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    Alan,

    I have presented a simplistic (and transparent) assessment of dating of P314.2 and its subdivisions at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ection=results. Scroll down to "HAPLOGROUP R - GROUP B: McCARTHYS AND SNPs R-P314.2 AND R-L362" then to: "The timeline derived on the above basis is as follows:" This is based on the tree referenced in previous e-mails of this thread. Note that I suggest SNP P314.2 itself could have occurred at any time during the sequence which includes eight STR mutations. I give this is 1600 B.C to 230 B.C., give or take a century or two. Intuitively, the final date in the sequence offered (1230 A.D.) seems a century or two too late, but is within the suggested limits of accuracy. It may be that a century or more needs to be knocked off first millenium dates, but let's not take it too seriously. It was intended for guidance only!

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    There were a number of reasons why I did wonder about a Viking connection of some sort. I am not sure I fully understand why that is thought unlikely, given the need to allow wide margins of error in dating etc. I am not saying I think that it is Viking linked, its just I am not clear why this is thought unlikely.

    Quote Originally Posted by McCarthygen View Post
    Alan,

    I have presented a simplistic (and transparent) assessment of dating of P314.2 and its subdivisions at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ection=results. Scroll down to "HAPLOGROUP R - GROUP B: McCARTHYS AND SNPs R-P314.2 AND R-L362" then to: "The timeline derived on the above basis is as follows:" This is based on the tree referenced in previous e-mails of this thread. Note that I suggest SNP P314.2 itself could have occurred at any time during the sequence which includes eight STR mutations. I give this is 1600 B.C to 230 B.C., give or take a century or two. Intuitively, the final date in the sequence offered (1230 A.D.) seems a century or two too late, but is within the suggested limits of accuracy. It may be that a century or more needs to be knocked off first millenium dates, but let's not take it too seriously. It was intended for guidance only!

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