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    Quote Originally Posted by MJost View Post
    The DF13 would start at 1436bc. L21 six SNP block starting around 2357bc with P312 two SNPs back at 2664 bc.

    Amesbury Archer 40 year old is dated 2470–2280 cal BC. Base on the strontium isotope analysis of his teeth he was from the Alps region while a child, either Switzerland, Austria or Germany. He could be a HG 'G' or another one and not R1b. The age would fit the node level of the first SNP in the L21 block of six SNPs. I could see that a son of P312 could have been that far south already but probably not in the higher altitudes, but who knows. To bad they don't have any DNA from him.

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    If DF13 and sons made their way west during the La Tene phase, how is it that we see so little La Tene influence in Ireland, a place that is (unless I am very mistaken) largely DF13+?

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    I'm not arguing, by the way, I'm just working things out in my own head and trying to reconcile this model with the archaeological record of the British Isles. I'm deeply interested in how this might work out, in that it helps shine the light on my own ancestors' journey to the Isle of Man (because everything before Mann is a bit of a mystery).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJost View Post
    The DF13 would start at 1436bc. L21 six SNP block starting around 2357bc with P312 two SNPs back at 2664 bc.

    Amesbury Archer 40 year old is dated 2470–2280 cal BC. Base on the strontium isotope analysis of his teeth he was from the Alps region while a child, either Switzerland, Austria or Germany. He could be a HG 'G' or another one and not R1b. The age would fit the node level of the first SNP in the L21 block of six SNPs. I could see that a son of P312 could have been that far south already but probably not in the higher altitudes, but who knows. To bad they don't have any DNA from him.

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    Sorry to barrage you with questions, but would you see the Bronze Age British as being essentially Neolithic (say, I2 and G2) or a mix of Neolithic and earlier clades of R1b?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Mc View Post
    Sorry to barrage you with questions, but would you see the Bronze Age British as being essentially Neolithic (say, I2 and G2) or a mix of Neolithic and earlier clades of R1b?
    There could be some rare R1b due to geographical location and dating. This is above my pay grade thats for sure.

    As I posted earlier; "Over the last 5000 years of agriculture there was negligible impact of preceding Early and Middle Neolithic land use activities. Early and Middle Neolithic settlements consisted of a few scattered and shifting hamlets, and population density (0.4 persons km-2) was significantly lesser than in the End Neolithic (~5000 BP; ~1 person km-2) and thereafter (Zimmermann et al., 2009)."

    Looking at the isles populations it seems to match the exsisting european percentages.

    England UK, covering 130,395 square kilometres Not counting South coast of Wales)
    (50% only in use @ 65,198 square kilometres)

    2000bc high side est 250000 people, 0.52158 (0.26079) per KM^2
    4000bc high side est 100000 people, 1.30395 (0.651975) per KM^2
    5000bc est 2,750–5,500 people 0.055 (0.084) per KM^2

    Stonehenge was built between 3000 BC to 2000 BC. Radiocarbon dating in 2008 suggested that the first stones were raised between 2400 and 2200 BC. Stonehenge had its Neolithic form elaborated extensively. The Early Bronze age Bell Beaker and Meaglithic cultures along with Roundhouses built into the bronze age influenced Britain 2000-3000 bc. Neolithic European farmers were confirmed to have belonged to Y-DNA haplogroups E1b1b and G2a. I2 is also more frequent in Europe as well. Only later ere hill forts build on higher ground and rectangular houses style were used in southern Britain and even mentioned by Caesar that the mostly rectangle as being no different that the Celts in Gaul and Po Valley.

    Britain's later rectangular design influence came from a long-standing tradition east of the Rhine.
    The Iron Age in Northern Britain: Celts and Romans, Natives and Invaders
    By D.W. Harding

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    148326, FGC-0FW1R, YSID6 & YF3272 R-DF13>FGC5494>*7448>*5496>*5521>*5511>*5539>*5538>* 5508>*5524
     
    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJost View Post
    Britain's later rectangular design influence came from a long-standing tradition east of the Rhine.
    The Iron Age in Northern Britain: Celts and Romans, Natives and Invaders
    By D.W. Harding
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    There still seems to be a problem with Ireland, though, doesn't there? Again, some, but relatively few La Tene artifacts, and a continuing round house tradition which continued up until the Viking Age, yet probably mostly DF13+. Doesn't that suggest an earlier arrival than the Iron Age?

    Professor Jim Mallory, in his Origins of the Irish, points out that it has always been difficult to show (archaeologically) where any significant migration events might have taken place in Ireland. He does suggest that the Bronze Age has the hallmarks of a larger cultural infusion, including but not limited to the extensive use of fortification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Mc View Post
    There still seems to be a problem with Ireland, though, doesn't there? Again, some, but relatively few La Tene artifacts, and a continuing round house tradition which continued up until the Viking Age, yet probably mostly DF13+. Doesn't that suggest an earlier arrival than the Iron Age?

    Professor Jim Mallory, in his Origins of the Irish, points out that it has always been difficult to show (archaeologically) where any significant migration events might have taken place in Ireland. He does suggest that the Bronze Age has the hallmarks of a larger cultural infusion, including but not limited to the extensive use of fortification.
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    Ok good question. How do we know what major haplogroup was already there or arrived before the Iron age? DF13's sons could have been trekking into the Isles right at the beginning of the iron age, but L21 initially appears to have been near the Harz mountains and migrating south to the better farm lands. One Man and his direct descendants for five more SNPs. 2300 bc to 1430 bc. L21's cousins, from the U152's & DF27's could have been involved in the tin aspect around 2050bc from Brittany, to Devon and Cornwall, and in the Iberian Peninsula. DF13's sons didn't even experience Iron until 8th century BC but may have been gearing up for it in central Europe producing a massive number of offspring and those producing more. We have considerable L21+ continentals from various studies but these would be mostly DF13's sons as we know it know with 23+ branches. Doesn't make since thinking DF13 lived in isles before becoming the Big Daddy.


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    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    Lets re-look at the westward route my next post on that ended up where P312+ was found in Kromsdorf, Germany. Speculating here, I show the best path is the best route for foot (least resistant) path that is over 1738 Km distance to the Black Sea. I chose Odessa due to being the suggested hotspot for L23. Migrating from around the mountains at a 1 km per year rate, its over 1700 year time period. Then from Odessa back to Lebyazhinka, Samarskaya oblast', Russia. This movement path seems logical considering L11's block of seven SNPs start on the westward leg towards Kromsdorf, Germany and ends as P312+~. Note L11 block of SNPs start just before Yamna Culture 3600bc. L51 is shown closest to the Black Sea and L23 is technically in the middle of up and coming Yamna culture territory around Dnepropetrovsk, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Ukraine. There is almost 2000 Km northwest from Odessa to Lebyazhinka, Samarskaya oblast', Russia. I realize that all of this based on shortest best routes and may not have occurred at all but the general start and end points did, and a strong L23 & L23>L51 presence near the Black Sea is factual.

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Leby...d50.998889!3e2



    R1b1a2 (M269 Block of 38 SNPs) (Lebyazhinka I0124-Basal L278* 5640-5555 calBCE) 7734 5734 BC 3684 0 Lebyazhinka, Samarskaya oblast', Russia
    34 (Serbia - high temp copper 5500bc) 7581 5581 BC
    35 Unordered SNPs 7427 5427 BC 2916 767
    36 (Spain I0410 Basal M415* {V88?} 5178-5066 cal BCE) 7274 5274 BC 2763 921
    37 Unordered SNPs 7120 5120 BC
    38 Unordered SNPs 6967 4967 BC
    R1b1a2a L23/S141/PF6534 6813 4813 BC 2302 1381 Dnepropetrovsk, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Ukraine
    L478/PF6403 6660 4660 BC
    R1b1a2a1 L51/M412/S167/PF6536(R-Z2103 branched) 6506 4506 BC 1995 1688 (Northeast of Odessa)
    PF6414 6353 4353 BC 1842 1842 Odessa, Odessa Oblast, Ukraine
    CTS10373/PF6537 6199 4199 BC 1688 1995
    PF6535 6046 4046 BC
    R1b1a2a1a L11/S127/PF6539 5892 3892 BC 1381 2302 Velyka Vulyha, Vinnyts'ka oblast, Ukraine
    2 YSC0000191/PF6543/S1159 (Baalberge_MN I0559 R* 3645-3537 cal BCE) (Yamna culture start 3600bc) 5739 3739 BC
    3 P310/S129/PF6546 (Yamna phase II) 5585 3585 BC
    4 L52/PF6541 (Yamnaya I0439 [and I0443] basal R1b1a* 3305-2925 cal BCE) 5432 3432 BC
    5 CTS7650/PF6544/S1164 (Aegean Bronze Age begins around 3200 BCE) 5278 3278 BC
    6 PF5856 5125 3125 BC
    7 L151/PF6542 (Bell Beaker culture start 2900bc) 4971 2971 BC
    8 P311/S128/PF6545 (Yamna phase III) 4818 2818 BC 307 3377 Görlitz, Germany U106 split past this point
    R1b1a2a1a2 P312/S116/PF6547 (U106 Branched) (Erzgebirge tin mining, dated to 2500 BC) {Kromsdorf 2 - grave#5: R1b-M269+ S21/U106- & grave#8: R1b~M343+ M269? S21/U106- [2,600–2,500 cal BC (2 SD)]} 4664 2664 BC
    Z1904/CTS12684/PF65 (BB Central Euro 2500bc) 4511 2511 BC 0 3684 Kromsdorf, Germany



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    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    I thought I would play with the route that R, who most likely was also near the Mal'ti Boy's location near Lake Balik to over a 4000 Km route as hunter-gathers might have taken, Based on the 153 years per SNP, who most likely moved about 0.25 Km year (estimation based on the total direct distance just over 4000 km). Below is the Google Map link and the R1 tree mutations list that I plotted along this route to end up in Lebyazhinka, Samarskaya oblast', Russia where I0124 was found buried.

    By the time R1 reached the Bulaevo, Kazakhstan area around 11700BC the Holocene the time since the end of the last major glacial epoch, or "ice age. Also this would have been approximately where the R1a mutation occurred.

    Remember I am just speculating.

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/52.9...53.6799904!3e2

    R-Tree with dates and notes:

    R P232 24464 22464 BC location suggested as near by Lake Balik
    2 24311 22311 BC location suggested as near by Lake Balik
    3 24157 22157 BC location suggested as near by Lake Balik
    4 P224/PF6050 (Mal'ti Boy (four year old) R* equiv node 22000 cal bc 52.9°N 103.5°E near river Belaya that flows into Lake Baikal) 24004 22004 BC 0 Near Lake Balik, Irkutskaya oblast', Russia
    5 23851 21851 BC 154 38.4 As Hunter–gatherer depleted plants and animals they may have migrated at a rate of ~0.25 Km per year base on distant to Lebyazhinka
    R.1-Y482 Y482/PF6056/F459 21088 19088 BC 2917 729.1 Kansk, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia
    R1 M781/PF6145 20474 18474 BC 3531 882.6 Krasnoyarsk, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia
    R1b M343/PF6242 (Holocene 11700BC-present, end of Ice Age) (R1a Split) 13720 11720 BC 10285 2571.1 Bulaevo, Kazakhstan
    R1b1 M415/PF6251 13567 11567 BC 10438 2609.5 Petropavl, Kazakhstan
    R1b1a P297/PF6398 (V88 Branch split) 13106 11106 BC 10899 2724.6 Petukhovo, Kurgan Oblast, Russia
    R1b1a2 M269/PF6517 (M73, M478 Branch split)(Moving westwards M269 block may have skirted parts of the the southern Urals) 12646 10646 BC 11359 2839.8 Vargashi, Kurganskaya oblast', Russia
    33th SNP (Lebyazhinka I0124-Basal L278* 5640-5555 calBCE) 7734 5734 BC 16271 4067.8 Lebyazhinka, Samarskaya oblast', Russia


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    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    Discussing the route through Central and North Asia, before and after the start of Holocene to 2000 b.c. would encompasses present-day Afghanistan, China (Xinjiang Province), Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, eastern Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.

    The land use was much different for hunter-gathers.

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/?period=02&region=nc

    The landscape and climate of Central and North Asia is divided into zones that extend east-west across the broad expanse of Eurasia. In the far north is an arctic zone with tundra vegetation, which can support only small numbers of people with hunting and reindeer-herding economies. Next, a forest zone called the taiga has coniferous trees of varying kinds over its extent; the landscape supports hunting, fishing, and the gathering of plants. In most places, the taiga is separated from the next zone—the steppes—by a mixed forest that includes deciduous trees (sometimes called the forest-steppes). The steppes itself is a relatively flat grassland occasionally broken by hills, rivers, lakes, and seas. The southernmost part of Central Asia, both east and west, is desert, edged by mountain ranges. It is in the steppes, the oases of the desert, and the foothills of the mountains that cultures change most rapidly from 8000 to 2000 B.C.

    Although in southern Central Asia the relative chronological positions of various cultures are generally clear, the absolute chronological dates remain a matter of scholarly debate. For consistency across timelines, "calibrated" carbon-14 dates are used here, resulting in dates up to 500 years earlier than traditional dates for these periods.

    In this timeline, "neolithic" indicates cultures whose food sources are based on hunting, gathering, and fishing, and stone tools and weapons more sophisticated than in the previous "mesolithic"; "eneolithic" denotes cultures with some food production from domesticated plants and/or animals; and "bronze age" means cultures with economies producing their food with developed technologies such as irrigation agriculture or systematic stockbreeding of domesticated animals

    North:
    Hunting and fishing cultures in the tundra band, ca. to 2000 b.c
    http://www.cosmicelk.net/mammothhunters.htm
    Note location of Krasnoyarsk, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia North west of Lake Balik on the above webpage image.

    Another source for land usage and why I adjusted the movement to match the .25 km movement which matched the actual route timing.

    http://persquaremile.com/2011/08/17/...d-for-density/
    http://www.pnas.org/content/104/11/4765.abstract

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    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    If the west ward migration direction actually was correct, it wasn't until about Bulaevo, Kazakhstan that the Ice Age went Holocene and R1a was spawned. V88 Branch split off four SNPs later, and three more SNPs later the M269 block was spawned along with the M73 & M478 Branch split off at around Vargashi, Kurganskaya oblast', Russia just east of the Urals. M269 block of 38, was up to the 32nd SNP when it got to Lebyazhinka, Samarskaya oblast', Russia area with a grave with I0124 with a Basal L278* result. 5640-5555 calBCE. Note that R1b1 L278 & M415/PF6251) is ancestral to R1b1a2 M269 and R1b1a1 M478, (M73).

    Yes I0124 was ancestral for R1b1a2 M269 and R1b1a1 M478 thus I accept the R1b1a1 M478 being negative but M269 has not been ordered in its exact place from known testing. M269 could have been mutation well downstream anywhere within the 38 SNP block so testing I0124 for M269 may not have mutated yet. At the age of I1024 there should be around six more SNPs below where M269 could have came on the scene.

    I0124 was still a hunter-gather culture still well before animals had started to be domesticated and dies in what appears to be a seasonally occupied site.

    Lebyazhinka, Samarskaya oblast', Russia area with a grave with I0124.

    I0124 (Samara_HG)
    The hunter-gatherer from Samara belonged to haplogroup R1b1 (L278:18914441C→T), with
    upstream haplogroup R1b (M343:2887824C→A) also supported. However, he was ancestral for both
    the downstream haplogroup R1b1a1 (M478:23444054T→C) and R1b1a2 (M269:22739367T→C) and
    could be designated as R1b1*(xR1b1a1, R1b1a2). Thus, this individual was basal to most west
    Eurasian R1b individuals which belong to the R-M269 lineage as well as to the related R-M73/M478
    lineage that has a predominantly non-European distribution17


    Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
    Haak et al 2014
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1502/1502.02783.pdf

    "Hunter-gatherer samples
    We generated data on two hunter-gatherer samples from western Russia (the easternmost part
    of Europe) to bridge the geographical gap between the West European site Loschbour
    (WHG)2 and the Siberian site Mal’ta in Siberia, Russia3, from which hunter-gatherer genetic
    data are available from the literature.

    The individual we refer to as ‘Samara hunter-gatherer’
    I0124/SVP44 (5640-5555 calBCE, Beta-392490)
    is an adult male from grave 1 in a Neolithic-Eneolithic settlement producing artifacts from the
    Elshanka, Samara, and Repin cultures. The specific site is Lebyazhinka IV, on the Sok River,
    Samara oblast, Russia. (‘Neolithic’ here refers to the presence of ceramics, not to
    domesticated animals or plants.) The radiocarbon date of this individual, based on a femur, is
    centuries before the appearance of domesticated animals in the middle Volga region.
    Lebyazhinka IV and the neighboring Lebyazhinka V site were occupied seasonally by
    multiple cultures between 7000-3500 BCE; a few graves were found in the settled areas6.

    Early Neolithic
    The Early Neolithic in Europe in this study is represented by new samples reported from sites
    in Hungary, Germany and Spain.

    The central European Neolithic (6200–3950 BCE) is first manifested in the Starčevo culture,
    the Transdanubian Linienbandkeramik (LBKT), and the central European distribution of the
    Linienbandkeramik (LBK); these were the first people in the region to exploit agriculture and
    animal husbandry7. The Linienbandkeramik appears earliest in the archaeological record of
    western Hungary (Transdanubia), where it incorporated novel technologies and cultural
    elements from the preceding, southeastern Starčevo culture, which in turn also shows
    similarities in material culture to early farming groups further southeast, including Anatolia,
    the Levant and the Near East. During the Neolithic transition, the LBK expanded relatively
    rapidly along the major waterways and fertile Loess plains towards towards central Europe, extending
    as far as the Paris Basin in the West and Ukraine in the East8,9.

    I0124 (Samara_HG)
    The hunter-gatherer from Samara belonged to haplogroup R1b1 (L278:18914441C→T), with
    upstream haplogroup R1b (M343:2887824C→A) also supported. However, he was ancestral for both
    the downstream haplogroup R1b1a1 (M478:23444054T→C) and R1b1a2 (M269:22739367T→C) and
    could be designated as R1b1*(xR1b1a1, R1b1a2). Thus, this individual was basal to most west
    Eurasian R1b individuals which belong to the R-M269 lineage as well as to the related R-M73/M478
    lineage that has a predominantly non-European distribution17. The occurrence of chromosomes basal
    to the most prevalent lineages within haplogroups R1a and R1b in eastern European hunter-gatherers,
    together with the finding of basal haplogroup R* in the ~24,000-year old Mal’ta (MA1) boy18
    suggests the possibility that some of the differentiation of lineages within haplogroup R occurred in
    north Eurasia, although we note that we do not have ancient DNA data from more southern regions of
    Eurasia. Irrespective of the more ancient origins of this group of lineages, the occurrence of basal
    forms of R1a and R1b in eastern European hunter-gatherers provide a geographically plausible source
    for these lineages in later Europeans where both lineages are prevalent4,17,19."


    This entire area occupied on a non-permanent basis on a following the game as hunter-gathers. From the being between Vargashi and Lebyazhinka the 8.2K year massive climate drop occurred. This event happened closer to the Lebyazhinka end of the migration route just a few SNPs back. Horse riding didn't develop until about the time when L11 was spawned. The domestication of the horse has been dated around 4000 BCE.

    Frachetti wrote:

    "The archaeological record of western Eurasian steppe does suggest that domesticated sheep/goats and cattle first emerged in relation to the mixed agro-pastoral subsistence with late Sredny Stog and Tripolye cultural material are well dated to Neolithic phases ( c. 5000-4000 BCE) in the territory north of the Black Sea and southern Russia (Rassamakin 1995). Predominantly pastoralist societies are not documented in the western steppe region until the start of the third millennium BCE, when they emerge in relation to the Yamnaya cultural horizon. Given their geographic proximity as well as their ties in material culture, it seems likely that specialized pastoralism amongst the Yamnaya may illustrate one of the first distinctions between agricultural and herding communities in the north-Caspian region around 3000 BCE--..."

    Pastoralist Landscapes and Social Interaction in Bronze Age Eurasia
    By Michael David Frachetti

    This all now seem to fit the time lines I have shown.

    MJost
    148326, FGC-0FW1R, YSID6 & YF3272 R-DF13>FGC5494>*7448>*5496>*5521>*5511>*5539>*5538>* 5508>*5524
     
    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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