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    STR of T ydna

    Looking at the site below for T only

    http://www.semargl.me/haplogroups/

    I find the group noted as T dys390=22 as a european origin ...maybe an ancient one
    34 of the 111 STR are the exact same

    while the other T ( unknown group ) haplotypes in the link , does not fit these dys390=22 type
    Last edited by vettor; 04-17-2015 at 07:57 PM.


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    Interesting that the Ray Banks Isogg experimental tree has noted my known positive marker - CTS8862 as
    • • • • • •T12b1a CTS8489 (18050535 G->A ) or CTS8862 (18246590 G->T) 4.5 KY

    4500 years ago, since everything downstream from this marker is tested negative for me , then that's it for me for future testing.
    4500 years ago is early bronze age III ( from 2700bc to 2200bc )

    https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/t


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    Kit #38660 has DYS490 = 22 but recently received a CTS8862- result. I think CTS8862 is younger than 4500 years.
    Vettor, have you considered a Big Y test?

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    I ran my natgeno2 results of SNP's ( all the positives and all the negatives SNP ) in CMorley 2013 program and it gave me this



    This is 2013 program and I have further downstream SNP to arrive at CTS8862+ and further downstream from this CTS8862 SNP are all SNP known as being ALL negatives.

    I was wanting to know if there is a more up to date subclade predictor than CMorley 2013 one

    BTW...NatGeno2 is still the ONLY tested company, to have me predicted correctly at the present time ( better than ftdna and 23andme )
    Last edited by vettor; 06-19-2015 at 07:34 AM.


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
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    BTW...NatGeno2 is still the ONLY tested company, to have me predicted correctly at the present time ( better than ftdna and 23andme )[/QUOTE]

    ftdna currently appears very conservative about predicting sub haplogroups. Some people had predictions beyond where they are now before ftdna had a re-think a while ago. Friends in R1b-U106 and similar say that the ftdna Haplogroup Project groups have been very helpful with new possibilities, and I have found that myself with T Project.
    Just remember, as others have said recently on other threads, that not a lot of people have T. You can't make stats without data. And without the stats there won't be predictions.
    Your Geno2 testing has helped provide data. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saetro View Post
    BTW...NatGeno2 is still the ONLY tested company, to have me predicted correctly at the present time ( better than ftdna and 23andme )
    ftdna currently appears very conservative about predicting sub haplogroups. Some people had predictions beyond where they are now before ftdna had a re-think a while ago. Friends in R1b-U106 and similar say that the ftdna Haplogroup Project groups have been very helpful with new possibilities, and I have found that myself with T Project.
    Just remember, as others have said recently on other threads, that not a lot of people have T. You can't make stats without data. And without the stats there won't be predictions.
    Your Geno2 testing has helped provide data. Thank you.[/QUOTE]

    thanks , I will have to do further testings .................even to create a new branch as per below I am "stuck"
    red = tested negative , green = tested positive, pink = different branch ( july 2015 markers )

    • • • •T1a2b L446 (16660785 C->T)
    • • • • •T1a2b1 CTS11984 (23403451 T->G) FTDNA subgroup
    • • • • • •T1a2b1a CTS8489 (18050535 G->A) or CTS8862 (18246590 G->T) 4.5 KY
    • • • • • • •T1a2b1a1 L25/PF5345/S399 (19136822 T->C) FTDNA subgroup
    • • • • • • •T1a2b1a2 Pages113 (2713589 G->A) or S17120 (15426389 A->C )
    • • • • • • •T1a2b1a3 Z33764 (7247507 C->T) Iberians 2.7 KY
    • • • • • • •T1a2b1a4 CTS1080 (7187436 T->C) Hispanics 2.7 KY
    • • • • • •T1b2b1b Pages11 (14496103 C->T) FTDNA subgroup
    • • • • • •T1b2b1c CTS4571 (15719140 C->T) Tuscans 4.5 KY
    • • • • • •T1b2b1d Y7381 (7150898 A->G)
    • • • • • • •T1b2b1d1 Y7438 (14196904 T->C)
    • • • • • • • •T1b2b1d1a Y11077 (22909353 G->C) Saudis
    • • • • • • • •T1b2b1d1b Y7393 (21509927 C->T)
    • • • • • • • • •T1b2b1d1b1 Y7468 (17395593 T->G)
    • • • • • • • • • •T1b2b1d1b1a Y7430 (22003091 A->G) Saudis
    • • • • • • • • • •T1b2b1d1b1b Y9326 (22470399 T->C) Saudis


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    The next update to the YFull tree will have estimates for the TMRCAs for T-CTS54/T-CTS11984 and T-CTS8489/T-CTS8862, thanks to data submitted by two T Project members who have tested Big Y. The two testees are related within the last 300-500 years and several new SNPs will be added to the tree to define a new branch below T-CTS8489.
    My predictions for YFull's estimates:
    T-CTS54/T-CTS11984 3,500 ybp i.e. 1,500 BC
    T-CTS8489/T-CTS8862 2,500 ybp i.e. 500 BC
    There are also two more Big Y tests in progress for T-L131 kits (both probably T-L446 and one possibly T-CTS54).
    I'll report back here when the results are in.
    Last edited by GarethH; 10-14-2015 at 09:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarethH View Post
    The next update to the YFull tree will have estimates for the TMRCAs for T-CTS54/T-CTS11984 and T-CTS8489/T-CTS8862, thanks to data submitted by two T Project members who have tested Big Y. The two testees are related within the last 300-500 years and several new SNPs will be added to the tree to define a new branch below T-CTS8489.
    My predictions for YFull's estimates:
    T-CTS54/T-CTS11984 3,500 ybp i.e. 1,500 BC
    T-CTS8489/T-CTS8862 2,500 ybp i.e. 500 BC
    There are also two more Big Y tests in progress for T-L131 kits (both probably T-L446 and one possibly T-CTS54).
    I'll report back here when the results are in.
    Thanks

    It seems genetics is getting closer to myself for what dougM predicted for me over 2years ago.
    He stated I was around 200bc in northern Yugoslavia/eastern alps .........


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    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarethH View Post
    The next update to the YFull tree will have estimates for the TMRCAs for T-CTS54/T-CTS11984 and T-CTS8489/T-CTS8862, thanks to data submitted by two T Project members who have tested Big Y. The two testees are related within the last 300-500 years and several new SNPs will be added to the tree to define a new branch below T-CTS8489.
    My predictions for YFull's estimates:
    T-CTS54/T-CTS11984 3,500 ybp i.e. 1,500 BC
    T-CTS8489/T-CTS8862 2,500 ybp i.e. 500 BC
    There are also two more Big Y tests in progress for T-L131 kits (both probably T-L446 and one possibly T-CTS54).
    I'll report back here when the results are in.
    I see that in the new Isogg T November 2015 data

    • • • T1a2 L131, CTS2157
    • • • • T1a2a P322, P328
    • • • • T1a2b L446, CTS11796, CTS12108
    • • • • • T1a2b1 CTS3767, CTS11984
    • • • • • • T1a2b1a CTS8862, CTS9984


    you or others have noted are approximately CTS8489 and CTS10538. Listed 22 November 2015., what does this mean?

    Do you still refer to this branch as the "northern branch"

    BTW.........I note in green which I am tested positive and in red which I am tested negative

    In post#4, is my Geno2 data run in the Chris Morley program
    Last edited by vettor; 11-27-2015 at 06:46 PM.


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    I see that in the new Isogg T November 2015 data

    • • • T1a2 L131, CTS2157
    • • • • T1a2a P322, P328
    • • • • T1a2b L446, CTS11796, CTS12108
    • • • • • T1a2b1 CTS3767, CTS11984
    • • • • • • T1a2b1a CTS8862, CTS9984


    you or others have noted are approximately CTS8489 and CTS10538. Listed 22 November 2015., what does this mean?

    Do you still refer to this branch as the "northern branch"

    BTW.........I note in green which I am tested positive and in red which I am tested negative

    In post#4, is my Geno2 data run in the Chris Morley program
    The SNPs added to the tree are those included in the Geno2 data. The SNPs "under investigation" have only been seen in 1000 genomes and Big Y data so require additional checking. "Approximately" is not my wording but has been applied by the website administrator.
    I anticipate that the next update of YFull will add an additional layer between L446 and CTS3767. If it does, I will replicate it on the ISOGG tree.
    T-L446 appears to show greater variation in Europe than it does in the middle east. The T-Y7381 branch found in Saudi Arabia (and heavily tested) is relatively young (1400 ybp) so could be the result of a recent migration from further north.

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