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    STR111 tree of haplogroup T

    I made a STR111 tree of haplogroup T with 66 individuals. Since this tree is not based on SNPs at all, some of the individuals are a little bit off, e.g. T1b individual from South Africa (207007), and the T1b1a individual from the Palestinian Territory (207019). In other words, T1b (L131) seems to be quite old.
    outtree T STR111 10runs 66 individuals Rectangular tree small.jpg

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    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/...r111-tree.html
    Last edited by Palisto; 11-11-2012 at 04:56 AM.

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    Generally seems convincing enough; T1a and T1b are split quite cleanly into two distinct macro-clusters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humata View Post
    Generally seems convincing enough; T1a and T1b are split quite cleanly into two distinct macro-clusters.
    Yes, two macro-clusters. There is one individual from Ethiopia (206965), he seems to belong to T1a (even though he was not tested for it). There is another person from Egypt (219881), he is also T1a. Africa seems to be T1a only. South Asia seems to be T1a, too.

    Only the Middle East and Europe has individuals from both macro-clusters T1b and T1a.

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    From the subclade distribution alone, if we were to ignore the other valued information (MRCA's, SNP's etc.), it would appear the origin of Haplogroup T would be around the Middle-East or Europe since that is the overlap zone of T1a and T1b. The additional distribution of T1a in Africa and South Asia, however, would push it more towards the Middle-East due to geographic proximity between the two.

    Not exactly a precise science, but an educated guess based on your charts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palisto View Post
    I made a STR111 tree of haplogroup T with 66 individuals. Since this tree is not based on SNPs at all, some of the individuals are a little bit off, e.g. T1b individual from South Africa (207007), and the T1b1a individual from the Palestinian Territory (207019). In other words, T1b (L131) seems to be quite old.
    outtree T STR111 10runs 66 individuals Rectangular tree small.jpg

    More here:
    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/...r111-tree.html
    Good job with the STR tree. My dad tested T at 23andme. His subclade is unknown.

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    You can try to check

    M193 = rs2032676 = pos. 15014505 mutation: del -> AACA
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...name=rs2032676 shows I, your dad is T1

    L490 = rs2040607 = pos. 14529630 mutation: G -> A
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...name=rs2040607 shows A, your dad is T1

    M70 = rs2032672 = pos. 21893881 mutation: A -> C
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...name=rs2032672 shows C, your dad is T1a.

    L162 = rs34179999 = pos. 16019072 mutation: G -> C
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...ame=rs34179999 shows C, your dad is T1a1.

    L208 = rs35815655 = pos. 6736443 mutation: C -> T
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...ame=rs35815655 shows T, your dad is T1a1a.

    P77 = i4000222 or i5049559 = pos. 14926202 mutation G -> A
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer..._name=i4000222 or https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer..._name=i5049559 shows A, your dad is T1a1a1a1.

    and maybe some others SNPs can be checked.
    Y-DNA: R-Y14088 (ISOGG: R1b1a1a2a1a2b1c2b1a1a)
    mtDNA: J1c1i (J1c1 + 7735G and 8848C) Extras: 198T 12007A 16422C 16431A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petr View Post
    You can try to check

    M193 = rs2032676 = pos. 15014505 mutation: del -> AACA
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...name=rs2032676 shows I, your dad is T1

    L490 = rs2040607 = pos. 14529630 mutation: G -> A
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...name=rs2040607 shows A, your dad is T1

    M70 = rs2032672 = pos. 21893881 mutation: A -> C
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...name=rs2032672 shows C, your dad is T1a.

    L162 = rs34179999 = pos. 16019072 mutation: G -> C
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...ame=rs34179999 shows C, your dad is T1a1.

    L208 = rs35815655 = pos. 6736443 mutation: C -> T
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer...ame=rs35815655 shows T, your dad is T1a1a.

    P77 = i4000222 or i5049559 = pos. 14926202 mutation G -> A
    So if https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer..._name=i4000222 or https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer..._name=i5049559 shows A, your dad is T1a1a1a1.

    and maybe some others SNPs can be checked.

    whats does intergenic mean ?.........as I get this comment when I open M193...............I am confirmed negative for this SNP ( as well as my son )


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    reading this link below

    http://www.academia.edu/3642572/Unra...Neolithisation

    Haplogroup T has its highest variability inthe region of present-day Syria and diversified there for a long period of time. It must have arise nearlier than the T1-M70 coalescence age of 17 kya.A migration to Northeast Africa from this area occurred by T1a-Page21* males with a coalescenceage of 14 kya. A similar migration was by T1a1b-P77 males with a coalescence age of 7.6 kya(Mendez et al. 2011). These lineages may well have entered Northeast Africa during the same migration shortly after 7.6 kya as a group of distantly related male farmers. Haplogroups R1b1c-V88 and T thus inform of relevant male migrations to NortheastAfrica.

    This to me indicates that T1a-page21* is the only T1 found in Egypt and also that it was further tested and no further downstream marker was found , which is why it has a * ...........?!


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    Im Amos
    Acording to geno 2 my Yhaplogrup is T1a2b ( L-446 )
    My paternal ancestros records to 1450 all in the basque country Spain
    Any sugestion of ancien origen ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amos View Post
    Im Amos
    Acording to geno 2 my Yhaplogrup is T1a2b ( L-446 )
    My paternal ancestros records to 1450 all in the basque country Spain
    Any sugestion of ancien origen ?
    Amos, have you transferred your Geno2 results to FTDNA and joined the Haplogroup T Project? If you have please let me know your kit number and I will advise.

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