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    There is none in this study. There is a FTDNA Danish project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...rk/dna-results but its results don't seem to be available.
    I know https://www.isfg.org/files/ea84de9e2...2495329979.pdf , but it is an antique study (2004), not very useful today. Sure there are some infos somewhere, but where? Don't know.
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    I've yet to be convinced that the Cimbri were Celtic. There are several Germanic chieftains/kings who have Celtic names and trade between the two "groups" was obviously something that happened quite heavily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    Of course.
    But wait. This Celtic Cimbri theory is based on this guy website?
    Yes, he is a doctor but in psychology http://davidkfaux.org/files/BIOGRAPHYDKF.pdf

    No real academic source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete.miller View Post
    But wait. This Celtic Cimbri theory is based on this guy website?
    Yes, he is a doctor but in psychology http://davidkfaux.org/files/BIOGRAPHYDKF.pdf

    No real academic source?
    Right. I don't know much about David K. Faux. Afaik he is not a geneticist, but he was neither an outsider in the field of populations genetics. I mailed him one time, many years ago, and told him about my own haplo and the fact that the cradle of my paternal Normand origins is known (*) to be a nest of Angles. He replied very politely and said to me that he was not interested anymore in this topic. I don't remember having been very convinced by his theses, and I confess that I've forgotten almost everything from them.

    (*) likely wrongly. The adjective "Anglesque"/"Englesque" in the Normand toponyms A/Englesqueville is more probably related to the Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Scandinavian settlers from the Kent or the Dorset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    I'm not sure I'm well understanding what you mean. Do you mean that you want him to remain anonymous, or that you just don't remember his name? . . .
    I know who he is, but since what I was posting was somewhat negative, I did not want to appear to be badmouthing a particular person by name.

    However, I see that others have stepped up and identified him, which I guess was inevitable.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    Right. I don't know much about David K. Faux. Afaik he is not a geneticist, but he was neither an outsider in the field of populations genetics. I mailed him one time, many years ago, and told him about my own haplo and the fact that the cradle of my paternal Normand origins is known (*) to be a nest of Angles. He replied very politely and said to me that he was not interested anymore in this topic. I don't remember having been very convinced by his theses, and I confess that I've forgotten almost everything from them.

    (*) likely wrongly. The adjective "Anglesque"/"Englesque" in the Normand toponyms A/Englesqueville is more probably related to the Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Scandinavian settlers from the Kent or the Dorset.
    That is a surprising response given how prolific he once was on that topic. He used to be part owner of the genetic testing firm Ethnoancestry but evidently sold his interest in it before it became BritainsDNA. He once filled pretty much the same role later held by Alistair Moffat.

    He was all over y-dna testing back in the days when Rootsweb was the main forum for discussing it and U152 was known as S28.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    That is a surprising response given how prolific he was once was on that topic. He used to be part owner of the genetic testing firm Ethnoancestry but evidently sold his interest in it before it became BritainsDNA. He once filled pretty much the same role later held by Alistair Moffat.

    He was all over y-dna testing back in the days when Rootsweb was the main forum for discussing it and U152 was known as S28.
    He was also a prolific poster on the now defunct DNA Forums, where many of us crossed swords with him on several subjects, including his Celtic Cimbri thesis.
    I remember his statement from that time that there were no further SNPs to be discovered. That was before the discovery of P312, DF27 and L21 etc., when those of us who were R1bXU152,U106 were classified as R1b1c*, and referred to as Atlantic fringe aboriginals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    He was also a prolific poster on the now defunct DNA Forums, where many of us crossed swords with him on several subjects, including his Celtic Cimbri thesis.
    I remember his statement from that time that there were no further SNPs to be discovered. That was before the discovery of P312, DF27 and L21 etc., when those of us who were R1bXU152,U106 were classified as R1b1c*, and referred to as Atlantic fringe aboriginals.
    Oh, yes. I remember when we were all stuck at M269, and he said that was it for us. Our ancestors were "the cast of thousands" who formed the faceless backdrop for the heroic exploits of his ancestors, the La Tene Celts-cum Cimbri-cum Danish Vikings.

    He was a big advocate of the term "invader y-dna" to refer to I-M253 (the old I1a), R1b-S21 (U106), and, first and foremost, to R1b-S28 (U152) in the British Isles. The rest of us were descended from the lowly native cavemen, who were really Basques (we were supposed to be thrilled about that).

    He was also amongst the most ardent holdouts for the Iberian LGM Refuge, although he subsequently admitted he was wrong on that score and apologized for it.

    George van der Merwede invited him from Rootsweb over to dna forums and considered it a big coup when he accepted and showed up, since DKF was considered kind of a dna celebrity back in those days.
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    BTW, some years back I exchanged a few emails with him. He's actually a decent guy. I think he just got carried away with the excitement of finding out he is "S28" (U152). Since he is bright and well read, naturally he turned to tracing what seemed to him the proper history of his y-chromosome ancestors.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    That is a surprising response given how prolific he once was on that topic. He used to be part owner of the genetic testing firm Ethnoancestry but evidently sold his interest in it before it became BritainsDNA. He once filled pretty much the same role later held by Alistair Moffat.

    He was all over y-dna testing back in the days when Rootsweb was the main forum for discussing it and U152 was known as S28.
    I think he had fallen back from his Celtic-Danish dream and from his "hour of glory". Maybe a little depressed. But the years have passed and it is also possible that I have not kept a very faithful memory of his words. One thing is sure: he took time to answer a mail sent by an unknown French newbie, as a genuine gentleman.
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