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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    If you believe that Germanic are celts then that's your theory............I have never heard of this

    I see that Central and south Germany where gallic/celtic people and the germanics moved from the north into central Germany over time, but never crossed into southern germany until after 350AD

    The Romans state that there where no Germans south of the Danube river . The only Germans that , according to Roman historians who mis=xed with the celts happened on the modern Belgium -German border ( but Jean will discount this Caesar report)
    Every single map that i've seen seem to put the Germanic arrival to Central germany at around 2000 years ago.

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    Bump. I recall someone online trying to demonstrate a connection between Cimbri, North Jutlanders, and Danish Vikings in the UK. I would be interested to see a paper on Denmark like they recently did with France...although I do not expect as much genetic variation among ethnic native Danes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellachán View Post
    Bump. I recall someone online trying to demonstrate a connection between Cimbri, North Jutlanders, and Danish Vikings in the UK. I would be interested to see a paper on Denmark like they recently did with France...although I do not expect as much genetic variation among ethnic native Danes.
    I'd be interested to see that paper too, but conducted far more rigorously than the French one. Sadly, I guess the connection would be that all three came from the same place and had some descendants who moved to Britain. We'd need a lot of ancient samples to start what might be the impossible task of telling groups in that region apart, and we don't have those yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    I'd be interested to see that paper too, but conducted far more rigorously than the French one. Sadly, I guess the connection would be that all three came from the same place and had some descendants who moved to Britain. We'd need a lot of ancient samples to start what might be the impossible task of telling groups in that region apart, and we don't have those yet.
    Yeah, I’m sure folks would wanna see other fish fried first before Denmark. No ones probably expecting Danes to differ all that significantly. Going from one end of the country to the next, it’s probably the case it’s a meeting of a southern Swedish-like Cline and a north German like Cline beginning, naturally, by the German border. Jutland I understand received an extra pulse from Beakers compared to most other scandos, or so I hear, so maybe that would be cause for slight intrigue. I dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellachán View Post
    Bump. I recall someone online trying to demonstrate a connection between Cimbri, North Jutlanders, and Danish Vikings in the UK. I would be interested to see a paper on Denmark like they recently did with France...although I do not expect as much genetic variation among ethnic native Danes.
    That was someone who shall remain anonymous for now who was claiming that the Cimbri were predominantly R1b-U152. Since he believed that the U152 connection to the La Tene Celts was self evident, the only way he could get U152 to SE England in the bodies of Danish Vikings was via the Cimbri, whom he derived from La Tene Celts who had moved north at some point.

    I'm not sure he believes any of that anymore.

    At the time, he predicted that Denmark and the Oslofjord region of Norway would be loaded with R1b-U152. They aren't, but no one knew that back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellachán View Post
    Bump. I recall someone online trying to demonstrate a connection between Cimbri, North Jutlanders, and Danish Vikings in the UK. I would be interested to see a paper on Denmark like they recently did with France...although I do not expect as much genetic variation among ethnic native Danes.
    "Nationwide Genomic Study in Denmark Reveals Remarkable Population Homogeneity" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5068857/ . Much more serious study that the two recent ones which were devoted to France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    That was someone who shall remain anonymous for now who was claiming that the Cimbri were predominantly R1b-U152. Since he believed that the U152 connection to the La Tene Celts was self evident, the only way he could get U152 to SE England in the bodies of Danish Vikings was via the Cimbri, whom he derived from La Tene Celts who had moved north at some point.

    I'm not sure he believes any of that anymore.

    At the time, he predicted that Denmark and the Oslofjord region of Norway would be loaded with R1b-U152. They aren't, but no one knew that back then.
    I'm not sure I'm well understanding what you mean. Do you mean that you want him to remain anonymous, or that you just don't remember his name? In the second case, I can help.
    edit: by the way my very recent "adventures" with Anders Morup and the Y haplo U152-Z367 recalled me "his" theories. The fact is that finding a south-scandinavian nest for the subclade R-A14636 would be a bit interesting, if those markers were not so recent: Capture.JPG
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete.miller View Post
    Of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    "Nationwide Genomic Study in Denmark Reveals Remarkable Population Homogeneity" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5068857/ . Much more serious study that the two recent ones which were devoted to France.
    Is there a table which shows the YDNA results of the participants? I couldn't find one.

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