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    A 3rd branch of Crown Eurasians?



    Check this out!!! Tobus kindly plugged in the D-stats for me, because I don't know how to do it.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    For understanding D-stats see here..

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Is...dF8&authuser=0

    This is what it reveals....

    More than 2 branches of ancient Eurasians created EHG/SHG/Jap(it could be 3 and it could be 100). Jap and EHG/SHG share ancestry that WHG/ANE and Onge don't. There's no other way of interpreting this. Who the third(or 100) other branch(s) was(were) is the only mystery.

    And that... Europeans descend from at least 4 distinct ancestors because of EHG ancestry. Everyone in Eurasia except Oceanians and a few others probably share this type of ancestry too.

    My wild guess, which I don't have alot of confidence in(considering all the tree-like possibilities), is that there was a 3rd branch of "Crown Eurasians' independent of East and West Eurasians, that contributed ancestry to SHG/EHG and Japanese(and most East Asians).

    Karelia_HG(the main EHG reference) had mtDNA C1 which is typical for Native Americans, and Native Americans are equally close to Karelia_HG and MA1. Is this because EHG and Native Americans share ancestry via ANE and a third branch of Crown Eurasians? Maybe C1 comes from those unknown Eurasians.
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    I think the source for this third branch is most likely the ust Ishim man

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    Japanese have "ANE". That's the problem. They should be closer. Atayal may be the best choice for East Asian. Han also have "ANE" and maybe South Asian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tamilgangster View Post
    I think the source for this third branch is most likely the ust Ishim man
    I'd like to ask Tobus to test his relation to WHG/ANE/EHG/SHG and East Asians. From what I've heard he's equally related to all of them, so he was probably from the early days of Crown Eurasian. I wouldn't be surprised if he's somehow connected to this relation between East Asians and EHG/SHG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    Japanese have "ANE". That's the problem. They should be closer. Atayal may be the best choice for East Asian. Han also have "ANE" and maybe South Asian.
    Then why are they equally close to MA1 and Loschbour and why is MA1 equally close to Japanese and Onge? I chose Japanese because they don't appear to have West Eurasian ancestry.

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    I had a similar idea. I think there was another branch of ancient Eurasian, a sort of ANE, whose signals are left in South Asia. It shows up as ANE/Oceanian/East-Eurasian in calculators.

    So I think North Eurasians should be the middle branch in your diagram and mystery eurasian is an undiscovered branch of them.
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    Japanese have some West Eurasian. Pretty certain.

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    The Han from Haak et al. don't have any ANE. The smaller North Han sample does though.

    The Japanese also have some ANE. This is probably the reason for their minor West Eurasian signal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamilgangster View Post
    I think the source for this third branch is most likely the ust Ishim man
    He (not personally, but his group) is the source for all three branches. What is being deemed "Crown Eurasian" is essentially the Ust-Ishim type.

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    Han show up as 20%+ Nganasan and the rest is almost all Atayal, in the runs I've done.

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