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    T2b16* from South Italy

    My maternal ancestors are all from the Campania region and have been here for centuries. I'm T2b16*, which is not typical for Italy at all. I saw that it is found mainly in Estonia, Kazakhstan and especially among Volga Tatars. I have seen some cases in Germany, Poland and France, but I don't know how common it is in these regions. Does anyone know where can I find papers regarding this particular sub-clade? Thanks.

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    Finally, I meet another T2b16. I did my mtDNA testing on 23andme and on Familytreedna. T2b on 23andme, and T2b16 on FTDNA. I tried looking up the Udmurts and the Volga Tatar region. I found some pictures of beautiful red-headed Udmurts. I am very curious about these migrations. I am blue eyed, had caramel colored hair as a child, and am fair complected, burn easily. My mother's mother was from Russia, and was Ashkenazi Jewish. She died before I was born, and my grandmother lost her speech due to stroke when I was three, so I wasn't able to get much in the way of family history. What I do know is that the mother/daughter relationships were strong, warm, and loving, and that my great grandmother was known for taking in people who were hungry, and serving in all sorts of service capacities at the beginning of 20th century. I also heard that her husband was difficult, but she looks strong and happy in all the photos. It is just so fascinating to think that we end up in our lives, in my case in Northern California, having traversed the millennia. I am the last of my mitochondrial line, so I am very interesting in learning anything -- even speculative. Thanks!

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    Nice to meet you, Shar. Data on our haplogroup is very scarce, we don't even know how frequent T2b16 is in any part of the world. Eupedia linked T2b16 to the expansion of Abashevo towards the Urals, but who knows really.

    By the way, I am also blue-eyed, fair-skinned and relatively fair-haired and sensitive to sun, but I don't think this has anything to do with me being T2b16.

    Where was your mother's mother specifically from in Russia?

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    These are my matches:

    Bohatova from Moravia
    Maria Elisabeth Nenn from Neustuednitz, Kr. Arnswalde, Pomerania/Pommern, Germany
    Nicholas Romanov from St. Petersburg, Russia
    Ingrid Monsdotter from Bjorrud, Värmland/Varmland, Sweden
    Maria Mead from an unknown region, probably the British Isles
    Madeleine Avrard from Montagne, Perche, France
    Unknown surname, from Ireland

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    Reply to Passa, just rediscovered the thread!

    1.1%
    Eastern European

    Northwestern European
    0.2%
    Scandinavian
    0.9%
    Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    0.4%
    Broadly Southern European
    3.6%
    Broadly European
    0.1%
    East Asian & Native American

    East Asian
    0.1%
    Yakut
    < 0.1%
    Native American
    < 0.1%
    Broadly East Asian & Native American
    0.1%
    Middle Eastern & North African
    0.1%
    North African
    0.1%
    Unassigned
    100%

    I have found dna matches in Ireland, Poland, Lithuania, Switzerland, and more. Sorry I don't know this, but what is the source ofyour matches information names you list above? I stumbled onto the site last May, and only now rediscovered it. Is it a genome testing site? I remain very interested in anything about our haplogroup. Since many of my ancestors were Jewish, I was expecting a different Haplogroup, but to my surprise it was T2b on 23andme, and T2b16 on Family Tree DNA.

    I do know that before coming to Germany where my father's side lived for hundreds of years, they had lived in France and Italy, -- we think. But on my mother's side, and her mother's mother I thought it was Russia. Maybe that's where the Volga Urals were connected. I looked at pictures of the region and it is beautiful. With cold winters and hot summers. I would love to know how long my ancestors lived there, if they in fact did live there. Given the high percentage of our haplogroup in the region, it's quite likely they did! - Shar in California

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    Reply to Passa, just rediscovered the thread!

    99.7%
    European
    93.5%
    Ashkenazi
    1.1%
    Eastern European

    Northern European
    0.2%
    Scandinavian
    0.9%
    Broadly Northern European

    Southern European
    0.4%
    Broadly Southern European
    3.6%
    Broadly European
    0.1%
    East Asian & Native American

    East Asian
    0.1%
    Yakut
    < 0.1%
    Native American
    < 0.1%
    Broadly East Asian & Native American
    0.1%
    Middle Eastern & North African
    0.1%
    North African
    0.1%
    Unassigned
    1.1%
    Eastern European

    Northwestern European
    0.2%
    Scandinavian
    0.9%
    Broadly Northwestern European

    Southern European
    0.4%
    Broadly Southern European
    3.6%
    Broadly European
    0.1%
    East Asian & Native American

    East Asian
    0.1%
    Yakut
    < 0.1%
    Native American
    < 0.1%
    Broadly East Asian & Native American
    0.1%
    Middle Eastern & North African
    0.1%
    North African
    0.1%
    Unassigned
    100%

    I have found dna matches in Ireland, Poland, Lithuania, Switzerland, and more. Sorry I don't know this, but what is the source ofyour matches information names you list above? I stumbled onto the site last May, and only now rediscovered it. Is it a genome testing site? I remain very interested in anything about our haplogroup. Since many of my ancestors were Jewish, I was expecting a different Haplogroup, but to my surprise it was T2b on 23andme, and T2b16 on Family Tree DNA.

    I do know that before coming to Germany where my father's side lived for hundreds of years, they had lived in France and Italy, -- we think. But on my mother's side, and her mother's mother I thought it was Russia. Maybe that's where the Volga Urals were connected. I looked at pictures of the region and it is beautiful. With cold winters and hot summers. I would love to know how long my ancestors lived there, if they in fact did live there. Given the high percentage of our haplogroup in the region, it's quite likely they did! - Shar in California

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    The only kit for a T2b16 that I can find on projects is 97050. Does that belong to either of you?

    Thanks,

    Jack Wyatt

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    I just found out that I have the sub-clade T2b-T16362C. We need a sub-clade re-naming because the current T2b16 is a sub-clade of T2b-T16362C. Below are all T2b-T16362C(xT2b16) I was able to find. The Baden region of Germany and the Örebro region of Sweden look like they are major hubs for this lineage.
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    Passa, I have the same: T2b-T16362C

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    I just received my results and I'm T2b-T16362C.
    I can trace my maternal line to c. 1830, in Vicenza, Italy (or possibly Trentino, as the surname "Delai" is more widespread there).
    Most of my 16 matches from FTDNA are German (3 of them are American).

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