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    Quote Originally Posted by yisela View Post
    I just received my results and I'm T2b-T16362C.k
    I can trace my maternal line to c. 1830, in Vicenza, Italy (or possibly Trentino, as the surname "Delai" is more widespread there).
    Most of my 16 matches from FTDNA are German (3 of them are American).
    There are 101 households in italy with surname Delai....79 lombardy. 8 trentno. 4 veneto. 4 romagna. 3 sardinia....
    67 of the 79 come from near Brescia.
    Polpenazze del Garda seems the only plce which fits the year mentioned

    T2b mtdna in north east italy is 10% more than any other area in italy
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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    There are 101 households in italy with surname Delai....79 lombardy. 8 trentno. 4 veneto. 4 romagna. 3 sardinia.... 67 of the 79 come from near Brescia. Polpenazze del Garda seems the only plce which fits the year mentioned. T2b mtdna in north east italy is 10% more than any other area in italy
    Thank you for the clarification! I know Maria Delai's husband was from Vicenza, and their second and third children were born in Arsiero, but I haven't found any Italian records for them yet (Maria's children migrated to Argentina, and all the records I have are from there). I don't want to hijack the thread, but why do you say Polpenazze del Garda seems the only place which fits the year? I can see quite a few Delai in Trentino in 1840-50 through Family Search. Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yisela View Post
    Thank you for the clarification! I know Maria Delai's husband was from Vicenza, and their second and third children were born in Arsiero, but I haven't found any Italian records for them yet (Maria's children migrated to Argentina, and all the records I have are from there). I don't want to hijack the thread, but why do you say Polpenazze del Garda seems the only place which fits the year? I can see quite a few Delai in Trentino in 1840-50 through Family Search. Thanks again!
    I meant in the Brescia area ............I did not check Trentino, besides trentino is big area..............there are some in Trentino around Pergine Valsugana, like Francesco Delai who married Domenica Magnani and had their first child in 1809 ( duaghter )


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+ )

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    These are all the T2b-T16362C(xT2b16) samples I could locate:
    T2b-T16362C (pre-T2b16) (my matches included).png

    T2b16:
    T2b16.png

    Based on distribution and frequency, the Germanic connection is obvious, more so if one acknowledges that the blue cross in the T2b16 map represents individual PCA0026 from Kowalewko, Poland belonging to the Wielbark culture, which is probably Proto-Gothic.
    I'm purchasing FTDNA's mtDNA Full Sequence test to see if I match this individual.
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    Roman Iron Age sample Si9 from Simonsborg, Denmark might also belong to T2b-T16362C. He shows the 16362C mutation which might qualify him either as T2b-T16362C or T2b3a1, T2b4, T2b13b, T2b23a, T2b35.
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    The Bajuvarian individual BIM_37 had T2b16: source.
    Arnau de Torroja, a knight of Crown of Aragon and the ninth Grand Master of the Knights Templar from 1181 until his death in 1184, had T2b16: source.

    The modern individual Mg1_A10 from Mongolia has T2b16: source. He is the easternmost T2b16 sample found to date. Its maternal ancestors might have been Polish or German captives (see the battle of Liegnitz).
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