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    Smile Z145, Z146 and Z72

    Hi any opinion on this brench of the U152.

    i think that Z72 snp is not at the same level of Z146 but FTDNA rapresent it in that way.

    FTDNA don't rapresent at all Z56 do you know why, i don't think Z56 is unstable.

    Any idea?

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    On the U152 project it's very widespread. Members are from Austria, England, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, and Scotland.

    On Yfull Z145 is shown as "formed 4000 ybp, TMRCA 3400 ybp" Z56 was "formed 4600 ybp, TMRCA 4000 ybp" So it may be part of the Bell Beaker culture that spread throughout western Europe.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
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    Thanks, any idea on why FTDNA don't show in the haplotree Z56 and why they say that Z72 is at the same level of Z146 ?

    Yes U152 is wide distributed but the territory where is distributed are really undertested, italy for example with 60 milion of peoples and on 1-2 000 people tested cannot permit to understed clear from my opinion.

    Many of my match come from UK but this because in UK there are many tested peoples.

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    In my view, this branch is one of the few that is definitely originated from central Italy (Etruscan, Latin, Italic?), and it and has spread through the Roman expansion.

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    U152 study look to say that it come from North (Austria) and go down to Italy from there. An High % of u152 (more that 50%/60%) is in the Alessandria zone. But i don't have any details about Z56, and Z145/146. Of course a relevant number of tested people come from tuscany. But no more test at my knoledge was done in the rest of Italy. Some hints about:
    origin of Z56
    origin of z145 / z146

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    Hi all!
    I just got the results of my friend F. Bernardini , I know his earliest known ancestor was Domenico Bernardini from Sarzana (La Spezia, ITA) b. 1690 d. 1773. He has DYS 385 11-17 and DYS 492 14 . I think he is probably U152 Z56. the next test is for Z72. Any suggestions? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Valerius View Post
    Hi all!
    I just got the results of my friend F. Bernardini , I know his earliest known ancestor was Domenico Bernardini from Sarzana (La Spezia, ITA) b. 1690 d. 1773. He has DYS 385 11-17 and DYS 492 14 . I think he is probably U152 Z56. the next test is for Z72. Any suggestions? Thanks!
    DYS492=14 is extremely rare outside of Z56, so I would not spend money on Z56, so I think Z71 or Z72 are good net tests.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Today I read on U152 project about F. Bernardini " please order U152" . I laughed! Luckily I knew that DYS492=14 is rare outside Z56. But in any case I wanted to know your opinion. Thanks

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    385 11-17 is pretty cool too! Just like my papa!
    R1b1a2a1a1b3 U152+ Z56+ Z144/Z145/Z146+ P312+ U106- M228.2- M160- M126- L4- L21- L2- L196- L176.2- DYS492=14 Roma, Italia.

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    Hi Diana, I think Franco Bernardini is probably related to your father, I noticed by mymcgee maybe TMRCA is 1350-2000 ybp. But today he did the test for Z72. So now we expect the result.......

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