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    J-Z18186 Haplogroup

    One of my surname group has an extremely rare, (for our surname), haplogroup. He tested FTDNA's new SMS-M267 SNP pack & is now classified as J-Z18186. I have a strong suspicion regarding how & why this haplogroup appeared on the Anglo-Scottish border. Does anyone else belong to this haplogroup?
    Last edited by castle3; 05-16-2015 at 10:15 AM.

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    Whereabouts England are you from? Is your surname common? Like taylor or reid?

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    The surname originated in Cumbria in 1223. It's common for the border counties. I'm R1b, and our surname's mainstream is massively R1b, hence the interest in this unusual haplogroup. I suspect a conscripted Middle East legionnaire may have had some input.

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    I suspect you're referring to the Jordan-Graham cluster, which is J1-L1253. L1253 is a subclade of Z18186, its TMRCA is ~500 yBP. The "Syrian auxiliary archers" theory has been a long-time favourite explanation for this particular cluster's origins, as it belongs to a seemingly Arabian branch of YSC76 mainly distributed around the Gulf (this could be due to sampling bias though) however the TMRCA estimate doesn't really fit with this scenario.
    There's a parallel (Z18186-) branch called ZS1559, which has a cluster entirely made up of people from the British Isles (England in particular), IMO J1-ZS1559 is a stronger contender for the "Syrian auxiliary archers" theory.

    You might want to have a look at the J1 FTDNA project and see whether you can spot your surname.
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    Yes, that's the Jordan-Graham cluster. They share Z18184 with Arab individuals (FTDNA#215410,M8961) and the chronology would depend on the number of SNPs. "Syrian archers" or "Saracens" during the Norman conquest could be possible.
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    The gentleman concerned's ancestors have farmed within five miles of Housesteads & Carvoran Forts since the mid-1600s. Both those forts protected Hadrian's Wall. For those reasons, I was interested when I saw his haplogroup designation, particularly as Hamian (Syrian) archers were stationed in the vicinity.
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