Page 96 of 102 FirstFirst ... 46869495969798 ... LastLast
Results 951 to 960 of 1015

Thread: What Desi song are you listening to

  1. #951
    Registered Users
    Posts
    92
    Sex
    Omitted

    Intresting mix of Khan,Lhasa and amdo dialect


  2. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Songtsen For This Useful Post:

     AlluGobi (10-22-2021),  FrostAssassin0701 (10-22-2021),  Kaazi (10-22-2021)

  3. #952
    Registered Users
    Posts
    804
    Sex
    Location
    Nepal

    Quote Originally Posted by Songtsen View Post
    Tibetans are not Desis in the strictest sense but many Tibetans live in India (Ladakhis,exile Tibetans), Pakistan (Baltistanis) and in Nepal (Hyolmo,Mustang) so I thought it appropiate to put some Tibetan songs.
    ..
    Tbh, even Indic Hindu hill Nepalis never call themselves Desi, let alone Sino-Tibetan groups and proper Tibetans.

    We only hear it from Madheshi people (Gangetic people) calling native things as "Desi" and it's never heard in the hills of Nepal. So, if someone says "Desi", we generally think it as Gangetic culture/people in Nepal.

    Are Sino-Tibetan Nepalis Desis??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi
    Wikipedia includes Pakistan as well. Can any1 explain are Pashtuns and Balochs of Pakistan Desis??

    Quote Originally Posted by Songtsen View Post
    Intresting mix of Khan,Lhasa and amdo dialect

    Wow. Never knew Tibetan rap songs exists, sounds cool.

    Do Sherpa, Tamang of Nepal speak in Kham/East Tibet accent (generally thought of)??
    Last edited by Kaazi; 10-22-2021 at 07:04 PM.

  4. #953
    Registered Users
    Posts
    5,797
    Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Tbh, even Indic Hindu hill Nepalis never call themselves Desi, let alone Sino-Tibetan groups and proper Tibetans.

    We only hear it from Madheshi people (Gangetic people) calling native things as "Desi" and it's never heard in the hills of Nepal. So, if someone says "Desi", we generally think it as Gangetic culture/people in Nepal.

    Does being Indic speakers and Hindu adherents makes Nepali (specially Khas Nepalis) Desis??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi
    Wikipedia includes Pakistan as well. Can any1 explain are Pashtuns and Balochs of Pakistan Desis??



    Wow. Never knew Tibetan rap songs exists, sounds cool.

    Do Sherpa, Tamang of Nepal speak in Kham/East Tibet accent (generally thought of)??
    We don't have same culture as Southern folks or some eastern folks, yet they are part of Desi spectrum like us. Pakistan is primarily still "indic". The Pakhtuns don't eat drastic different diet from someone from Potohar, or have drastic different language or clothing. Same applies on Balochs. Desi is just a term for people from subcontinent. The Nepali Bahun girl I dated here in Canada in past called herself Desi. So it's a choice I guess.

  5. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MonkeyDLuffy For This Useful Post:

     Auro (10-23-2021),  Kaazi (10-22-2021)

  6. #954
    Moderator
    Posts
    2,786
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Afghan/Russian
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1a-Z93 (Indo-Aryan)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Tbh, even Indic Hindu hill Nepalis never call themselves Desi, let alone Sino-Tibetan groups and proper Tibetans.

    We only hear it from Madheshi people (Gangetic people) calling native things as "Desi" and it's never heard in the hills of Nepal. So, if someone says "Desi", we generally think it as Gangetic culture/people in Nepal.

    Are Sino-Tibetan Nepalis Desis??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi
    Wikipedia includes Pakistan as well. Can any1 explain are Pashtuns and Balochs of Pakistan Desis??



    Wow. Never knew Tibetan rap songs exists, sounds cool.

    Do Sherpa, Tamang of Nepal speak in Kham/East Tibet accent (generally thought of)??
    Pashtuns especially tribal ones can not be included as desi (different language, different culture, different identity, very similar to Pashtuns in Afghanistan) and don't think any rural Pashtun will identify as such (excluding the ones which national Pakistani identity is stronger than the ethnic identity and/or grew up in non-Pashtun areas). I don't know much about Balochs but neither would call them desi considering that they like Pashtuns represent tribal Iranic people whose closest ethnic relatives live in Iran and Afghanistan. But seemingly many urban Pashtuns and Balochs adopted mainstream desi culture just like many Pashtuns in Afghanistan became heavily persianized so much that they identify closer to Tajiks than to other Pashtuns.

  7. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Coldmountains For This Useful Post:

     altvred (10-22-2021),  Auro (10-23-2021),  ESPLover4 (10-24-2021),  Kaazi (10-22-2021),  Kirtan24 (10-22-2021),  MonkeyDLuffy (10-22-2021),  Sapporo (10-24-2021),  whynot (10-22-2021)

  8. #955
    Registered Users
    Posts
    804
    Sex
    Location
    Nepal

    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    We don't have same culture as Southern folks or some eastern folks, yet they are part of Desi spectrum like us. Pakistan is primarily still "indic". The Pakhtuns don't eat drastic different diet from someone from Potohar, or have drastic different language or clothing. Same applies on Balochs. Desi is just a term for people from subcontinent. The Nepali Bahun girl I dated here in Canada in past called herself Desi. So it's a choice I guess.
    This does mean it's really a huge category encompassing whole subcontinent. Sounds strange becoz those Bahuns and other hill folks in Nepal would be rather referring "Madheshi people" as "Desi".

    Do you consider Sino Tibetan Nepalis like Magars, Rai, Limbu as Desi??

    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Pashtuns especially tribal ones can not be included as desi (different language, different culture, different identity, very similar to Pashtuns in Afghanistan) and don't think any rural Pashtun will identify as such (excluding the ones which national Pakistani identity is stronger than the ethnic identity and/or grew up in non-Pashtun areas). I don't know much about Balochs but neither would call them desi considering that they like Pashtuns represent tribal Iranic people whose closest ethnic relatives live in Iran and Afghanistan. But seemingly many urban Pashtuns and Balochs adopted mainstream desi culture just like many Pashtuns in Afghanistan became heavily persianized so much that they identify closer to Tajiks than to other Pashtuns.
    What's mainstream Desi culture?? Bollywood??

  9. #956
    Moderator
    Posts
    2,786
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Afghan/Russian
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1a-Z93 (Indo-Aryan)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Sounds strange becoz those Bahuns and other hill folks in Nepal would be rather referring "Madheshi people" as "Desi".



    What's mainstream Desi culture?? Bollywood??
    I have not such a big knowledge about the situation in Pakistan but my impression was that many urban Pashtuns either adopt Urdu as first language or speak Pashto with a lot of Urdu loanwords. They also seem to adopt clothes, wedding traditions and cuisine more similar to Indic population in Pakistan than to classical Pashtun culture (should not call it "mainstream" desi culture probably).

    Overall i would classify Pashtuns and Afghans neither as desi nor as "Central Asian" like many somehow do. The region seems to be rather unique and is hard to categorize under some broad and/or exclusive label. There are too many cultural layers from different directions and also unique elements making South Central Asia extremely heterogeneous and in many aspects distinct.

  10. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Coldmountains For This Useful Post:

     Auro (10-23-2021),  ESPLover4 (10-24-2021),  FrostAssassin0701 (10-23-2021),  Kaazi (10-23-2021),  Kapisa (10-22-2021),  Kirtan24 (10-22-2021),  MonkeyDLuffy (10-23-2021),  pegasus (10-22-2021),  whynot (10-22-2021)

  11. #957
    Registered Users
    Posts
    4,570
    Location
    Shangri La

    Afghanistan Jammu and Kashmir United States of America Canada
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Tbh, even Indic Hindu hill Nepalis never call themselves Desi, let alone Sino-Tibetan groups and proper Tibetans.

    We only hear it from Madheshi people (Gangetic people) calling native things as "Desi" and it's never heard in the hills of Nepal. So, if someone says "Desi", we generally think it as Gangetic culture/people in Nepal.

    Are Sino-Tibetan Nepalis Desis??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi
    Wikipedia includes Pakistan as well. Can any1 explain are Pashtuns and Balochs of Pakistan Desis??



    Wow. Never knew Tibetan rap songs exists, sounds cool.

    Do Sherpa, Tamang of Nepal speak in Kham/East Tibet accent (generally thought of)??

    Wrt to Pashtuns in Pakistan, urbanized/college educated Pashtuns (who speak Pashto) have rapidly integrated into the mainstream/ social media culture of Pakistan, rural ones tend to keep their distinct tribal identity and largely live insular lives more or less the same as their brethren across the border.
    An interesting case are the children of Afghan Pashtuns who have migrated to Pakistan , some become very successful artists in both countries. Najiba until very recently was a very popular tv host on Afghan Lemar, I use to watch her show time to time. She also is a host on a Peshawar based variety show, which is now permanent . She cleverly knows how to speak to her targeted audience. In the Peshawar show, she uses much more English and Hindu/Urdu words which you would never hear on the Lemar version. Though in regular conversation on her social media accounts she speaks in the urban Peshawar dialect.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_D...DYBEEHSY&t=111


    Lemar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGSxd3uCyg

  12. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to pegasus For This Useful Post:

     AlluGobi (10-23-2021),  altvred (10-22-2021),  Auro (10-23-2021),  Coldmountains (10-22-2021),  ESPLover4 (10-24-2021),  Kaazi (10-23-2021),  MonkeyDLuffy (10-23-2021),  Sapporo (10-23-2021),  whynot (10-22-2021)

  13. #958
    Registered Users
    Posts
    620
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Awadhi
    Y-DNA (P)
    J-FT126996
    mtDNA (M)
    M3d1a


  14. The Following User Says Thank You to subzero85 For This Useful Post:

     Sapporo (10-23-2021)

  15. #959
    Global Moderator
    Posts
    3,421
    Sex
    Location
    Chicago
    Ethnicity
    Baloch Kashmiri Uzbek Kho
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-Y17491 > R-YP4858
    mtDNA (M)
    A8a

    Pakistan United States of America
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Tbh, even Indic Hindu hill Nepalis never call themselves Desi, let alone Sino-Tibetan groups and proper Tibetans.

    We only hear it from Madheshi people (Gangetic people) calling native things as "Desi" and it's never heard in the hills of Nepal. So, if someone says "Desi", we generally think it as Gangetic culture/people in Nepal.

    Are Sino-Tibetan Nepalis Desis??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi
    Wikipedia includes Pakistan as well. Can any1 explain are Pashtuns and Balochs of Pakistan Desis??



    Wow. Never knew Tibetan rap songs exists, sounds cool.

    Do Sherpa, Tamang of Nepal speak in Kham/East Tibet accent (generally thought of)??
    The only thing anyone calls Desi within Pakistan is murghi (chicken) and ghee; and honestly, I've only seen someone call ghee desi on Youtube. The connotation is that the thing is local/organic/"from here".

    I think it's in the diaspora where the term Desi became a catch-all identifier. If it were an actual desi identifier (lol) -- a Pashtun would call a Punjabi desi in Pakistan, or a Baloch would use it as a catch-all for Sindhi + Muhajir etc... but they don't.

    The actual catch-all identifiers are:
    • Pathan ("Punjabis" call everyone to the west or north "Pathan")
    • Punjabi ("Pathans" call everyone to the east or south "Punjabi")
    • Muhajir (Everyone calls anyone who solely speaks Urdu in Sindh, a "Muhajir" -- if this same person is in Lahore, Quetta, or Peshawar -- he is a "Punjabi"; Muhajirs calls themselves, "Pakistani")
    • If you're not in these 3 groupings, you are generally an afterthought and everyone talking forgot you exist. ie. Sindhi, Baloch, Gilgit.
    • Exception: Kashmiris -- gold star, special, not to be conflated with anything else.


    Sindhis are always "Sindhi"to a "Punjabi"; and mostly Sindhi to a "Pathan" -- however, when the argument necessitates, a Sindhi is now a "Punjabi". This is rare, because -- in my opinion (and I think other Pakistanis would agree) -- Sindhis have the strongest and most unchallenged identity in Pakistan (perhaps much in response to migrant population settling there). There is no group calling a segment of Sindhis "fake" or "not Sindhi enough". Which brings me back to Desi.... if Sindhis and "Mujahirs" considered each other desi (as in the way we in diaspora use the term... they are both unquestionably Desi).. well the province of Sindh and the city of Karachi would be a very different place.

    The word used to describe the common culture and cuisine shared by most of Pakistan and Northern India is called Mughlai, at least in most instances I've come across.But it's super useful to use in the West.. If I meet MDL or Sapporo and I ask em if they are Mexican and they say "nah, we be desi son"; we both got what we needed to know out of the conversation.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




  16. The Following 15 Users Say Thank You to khanabadoshi For This Useful Post:

     Ahmed Ali (10-23-2021),  AlluGobi (10-23-2021),  Auro (10-23-2021),  Coldmountains (10-23-2021),  desi (10-24-2021),  ESPLover4 (10-24-2021),  gc98 (10-23-2021),  heksindhi (10-23-2021),  Kaazi (10-23-2021),  karnalIroh (10-23-2021),  MonkeyDLuffy (10-23-2021),  Reza (10-26-2021),  Sapporo (10-23-2021),  subzero85 (10-23-2021),  thejkhan (10-23-2021)

  17. #960
    Registered Users
    Posts
    92
    Sex
    Omitted

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Tbh, even Indic Hindu hill Nepalis never call themselves Desi, let alone Sino-Tibetan groups and proper Tibetans.

    We only hear it from Madheshi people (Gangetic people) calling native things as "Desi" and it's never heard in the hills of Nepal. So, if someone says "Desi", we generally think it as Gangetic culture/people in Nepal.

    Are Sino-Tibetan Nepalis Desis??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi
    Wikipedia includes Pakistan as well. Can any1 explain are Pashtuns and Balochs of Pakistan Desis??



    Wow. Never knew Tibetan rap songs exists, sounds cool.

    Do Sherpa, Tamang of Nepal speak in Kham/East Tibet accent (generally thought of)??
    You are correct. Tibetans are not Desis or atleast mainstream Desis but there are many who idenitify as Desis because so many Tibetans are born in India or have migrated young.

    I have noticed that Tibetans born/raised in India identify strongly with India as a state and culture so there are a few (atleast in Newyork/Delhi) who call themselves DesiTibetans . Indian/Nepali culture though outwardly so different to the Tibetans does have many similarities. Food taboos are almost same except only for beef which Tibetans love. Indians/Nepalis generally dont eat fishes or reptiles and Hindu Gods look very similar to Buddhist ones. Goddesses like Kali doesnt give culture shock to the Tibetans.

    SinoTibetan is a linguistic system and is far more disparate in origin and older in antiquity than IndoEuropean. For example Bengali language is closer linguistically to Swedish language than Tibetan is to Qiang let alone Mandarin which is very diferrent and almost austroasiatic in comparison. Language system is not equal to ethnic identity.

    Culturally Tibetans generally dont identify with East asian/Central asian cultures. Closest ethnic groups similar to the Tibetans are Yugurs and Monguors. Mongols are seen as as sort of cousin even though they too eat Horses. Tibetans are a Inner asian group with its own cultural sphere which includes Mongols, Buddhist Qiangs and Buddhist Naxis of Qinghai/Sichuan/Yunan province.

    Sherpa dialect of Solu is little similar to Nyinghci Tibetans but Tamang/Rai/Magar is totally different language. Very different from Lhasa dialect let alone Kham/Amdo.
    Last edited by Songtsen; 10-23-2021 at 08:35 AM.

  18. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Songtsen For This Useful Post:

     Auro (10-23-2021),  ESPLover4 (10-24-2021),  Kaazi (10-23-2021),  khanabadoshi (10-23-2021),  MonkeyDLuffy (10-23-2021),  Sapporo (10-23-2021)

Page 96 of 102 FirstFirst ... 46869495969798 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 15
    Last Post: 05-31-2021, 11:16 AM
  2. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-15-2020, 07:32 PM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-15-2020, 07:29 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •