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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehmet View Post
    hi razyn, Mikewww,

    thanks, I joined the R1b-M343 group in YFull and some groups on Facebook.
    Mehmet, I can not keep up with personal/individual requests by individual emails or every forum.

    This is why the R1b Project has the R1b-YDNA yahoo group. That is the place to review specific R1b project data and individual kits with the R1b project administrators.. AND many other project administrators who join in. That is key. More heads are better than one.

    We are all volunteers.

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    The R1b All Subclades FTDNA Project now has over 20,500 members.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

    I am trying to clean up the web pages. Here are a couple of the key steps to take on the welcome page that are important for sharing information. I'm trying to get folks trained on this.
    3. Update your FTDNA account by going to MANAGE PERSONAL INFORMATION. This is critical to finding potential relatives and origins. We must share data to be successful. I recommend using the tested person's last name as the Contact Last Name. If the kit owner is different than the tester, please use the First Name field to include "c/o" and the kit owner's full name (for mailing purposes).

    3A. Go to PRIVACY & SHARING to check the below settings or you will not be a part of analyses.
    Matching Preferences/Y DNA - All Levels
    Origin Sharing - Opt in to Sharing
    Project Sharing/Group Profile - Opt in to Sharing

    3B. Go to PROJECT PREFERENCES to check Advanced or Limited Access for the project administrators. We can't help you if not granted at least Limited Access. Don't forget to check the box for future administrators too.

    3C. Go to GENEALOGY to update your Paternal Ancestor. Enter only information that is not speculative. Example: “James Welch, b.c.1812, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland”. Enter your COUNTRY or leave blank if you don't know. Do not enter "U.S." unless truly of Native American paternal lineage. Please try to be specific if UNITED KINGDOM; pick either ENGLAND, IRELAND, NORTHERN IRELAND, SCOTLAND or WALES. Use current country borders so use NORTHERN IRELAND if accurate even if the ancestor predated its formation. Update the map location.

    3D. Go to ACCOUNT INFORMATION to check your Contact information. Please add a backup email address and a beneficiary. Talk to your beneficiary.

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    I've updated the R1b "Tip of the Iceberg" Descendant Tree. It now has TMRCA estimates and Ancient DNA finds for our ancient large branches. You can see this tree better by going to the location where I store it.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...results#/RTREE

    You can download or open the .PDF version for clear zoom in/out panning of the chart.

    The full haplotree can be seen at FTDNA's public Y tree web page.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../R;name=R-M343

    It says there are 7,926 branches downstream of R1b (R-M343) on the haplotree. You can see your place in the branching by clicking on the "Haplotree & SNPs" button your kit's FTDNA dashboard.

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    As of 01/05/2019 there were 7,926 branches and 46,952 SNPs on the haplotree for R1b.

    As of today, 04/10/2019, we have the majority of the Big Y700 new test results in from the holiday sales. This has brought our totals up to 8,448 branches and 51,121 SNPs.

    For the total R1b tree, there are currently 6 SNPs per branch. The holiday sale Big Y700's yielded 8 SNPs per branch. Thats not necessarily meaningful as penetration of testing increases we should expect the SNPs per branch to go down (more resolution in branching) but I suspect there will be work to add SNPs from new coverage regions of the Y chromosome.

    We should see a lot of changes this summer but it may take a couple of months as there are several thousand Big Y500 to Big Y700 upgrades in the backlog. This may be mainly a lot of "catch up" in the number of SNPs, more so than the number of branches since most of these summer results will be upgrades (not new Big Y testers).
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    The R1b haplotree has crossed over the 9,000 mark with 9,017 distinct branches discovered and documented on the R1b-M343 haplotree. A public version is at https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../R;name=R-M343

    We've added a thousand branches in the last six months so we are still uncovering the tree in leaps and bounds.

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    Can anyone tell me about my haplogroup R-L196? Not a Barton, but apparently there are only a few surnames in this haplogroup.
    AncestryDNA: 48% England & Northwestern Europe, 29% Scotland, 12% Germanic Europe, 11% Ireland
    23andMe (v5.2 - 50% Confidence phased with 2 parents): 53.9% British & Irish, 22.7% French & German, 3.1% Scandinavian,
    17.2% Broadly Northwestern European, 1.5% Spanish & Portuguese, 0.4% Broadly Southern European,
    0.5% Broadly European, 0.2% Senegambian & Guinean, 0.2% Angolan & Congolese, 0.2% North African, 0.1% Unassigned

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    Quote Originally Posted by aafusc2988 View Post
    Can anyone tell me about my haplogroup R-L196? Not a Barton, but apparently there are only a few surnames in this haplogroup.
    https://yfull.com/tree/R-L196/

    https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.ph...525&star=false

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    The R1b haplotree has seen 23% growth in branching, many of these at the genealogical level. There are 9,684 branches on the haplotree for R1b now. That's not counting "*"'s or paragroups. I went back and checked the ISOGG tree for all of R1b back in 2011 and found it had 92 branches.

    R1b has had 105X growth over the last 8 or 9 years.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../R;name=R-M343

    I inquired about the backlog of FTDNA's manual phlogenetic analysis/interpretation process. The big bulge of Big Y500 to Y700 upgrade test results are finished other than true exceptions related to samples, etc. but the manual interpretations have not caught up yet so we should see substantial growth in branches yet this year.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    The R1b haplotree has crossed over the 9,000 mark with 9,017 distinct branches discovered and documented on the R1b-M343 haplotree. ...

    We've added a thousand branches in the last six months so we are still uncovering the tree in leaps and bounds.

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    The R1b haplotree at FTDNA now has 10,350 distinct branches, actually 10,351 if you include R-M343 itself.
    FTDNA does not count paragroups (asterisk) in these totals but only actual subclades.
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public.../R;name=R-M343

    We are seeing a nice steady stream of both new Big Y700 orders and results.
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    If you want an approximate number of unique YSNPs under R1b, you can take the branches and
    pro-rate them with YSNPs under L226:

    Branches - 141 - 6.9 %
    Branch Equivalents - 303 - 14.8 %
    Private YSNPs - 1596 - 78.3 %
    Total YSNPs - 2040

    So R1b would have around 10,351 / .069 = 150,000 unique YSNPs

    That is a lot of potential YSNP branches.

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