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    We just clicked over 10,000. We have over 10,000 members in the R1b project now.

    Gail R reports in that an Irish surname person broke the barrier at 10:23 AM New Zealand time on April 7th (6:23 PM CDT on April 6th, where I sit in sunny Austin).

    This is great work by all, but let us not stop. We need the R-M269 predicted newbies to get involved and consider upgrading to 67 STRs and the R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack. We need the lead explorers to get 111 STRs and do NGS testing.

    This is what shakes the big R1b tree and helps us discover the true layering in the R1b tree, which is good for everybody. R1b is the best studied haplogroup, but we are not done. We'll get this thing connected from the head to the toe (from the ancient to the last hundred years or so).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    We just clicked over 10,000. We have over 10,000 members in the R1b project now.

    Gail R reports in that an Irish surname person broke the barrier at 10:23 AM New Zealand time on April 7th (6:23 PM CDT on April 6th, where I sit in sunny Austin).

    This is great work by all, but let us not stop. We need the R-M269 predicted newbies to get involved and consider upgrading to 67 STRs and the R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack. We need the lead explorers to get 111 STRs and do NGS testing.

    This is what shakes the big R1b tree and helps us discover the true layering in the R1b tree, which is good for everybody. R1b is the best studied haplogroup, but we are not done. We'll get this thing connected from the head to the toe (from the ancient to the last hundred years or so).
    Congratulations! I added my maternal uncle a few weeks ago (M269 predicted) and I'm waiting for his BigY results. It's amazing how many people haven't bothered doing SNPs. I think that should be the next goal and not more STRs, which look all the same. My uncle has "matches" with every subclade of M269.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lugus View Post
    Congratulations! I added my maternal uncle a few weeks ago (M269 predicted) and I'm waiting for his BigY results. It's amazing how many people haven't bothered doing SNPs. I think that should be the next goal and not more STRs, which look all the same. My uncle has "matches" with every subclade of M269.
    Thanks for joining.

    I don't look at SNPs and STRs as one versus another but as additive in value. For instance Big Y testing will find an SNP about once every four father-son transmissions (25% of the time) whereas the STR 1-111 panel has a change about once every three father-son transmissions (33% of the time). To add them together from a probability perspective, of the 75% (1- 25%) of the time there is not an SNP there is a 33% chance of an STR change so 25% + (75% x 33%) = just about 50%. The opportunity for finding a difference is almost every other generation. That means we are talking about a very good chance of a discerning mutation between grandson and grandfather.

    Another area of synergy is for people who won't spend the money on NGS testing. By all means, if someone is considering NGS testing they should do it... don't think twice, just do it. It's the best long-term thing you can do.

    However, the majority today won't do NGS. It's just too expensive. In that case, it pays to do the STRs first and make sure you are well positioned in the large matching database. Then you can look for matches and STR signature patterns that have clues about your subclade. This might help you save money on SNP testing by guiding to a very specific SNP pack or panel or a handful of individual SNPs.

    Here is a great presentation of the in's and out's of applying both SNPs and STRs together in analyzing a surname cluster. It's only an hour and it is entertaining too.
    "Combining SNPs, STRs, & Genealogy to build a Surname Origins Tree", Dr. Maurice Gleeson, 2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvyH...ature=youtu.be
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    We are already over 10,100 members so 100 have joined in about a week. I expect this rate of growth to slow, but I guess not yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    We just clicked over 10,000. We have over 10,000 members in the R1b project now.

    Gail R reports in that an Irish surname person broke the barrier at 10:23 AM New Zealand time on April 7th (6:23 PM CDT on April 6th, where I sit in sunny Austin).

    This is great work by all, but let us not stop. We need the R-M269 predicted newbies to get involved and consider upgrading to 67 STRs and the R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack. We need the lead explorers to get 111 STRs and do NGS testing.

    This is what shakes the big R1b tree and helps us discover the true layering in the R1b tree, which is good for everybody. R1b is the best studied haplogroup, but we are not done. We'll get this thing connected from the head to the toe (from the ancient to the last hundred years or so).

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    Factoids..

    R1b now has approximately 1,811 distinct branches on the R1b haplotree.

    The R1b-CTS4466 (Irish II) SNP Pack has been updates. Several more pack updates are in the works.

    An R1b-L2 (xZ49 xZ367) SNP Pack has been released.

    An R1b-L555 (Clan Irwin) SNP Pack has been released.

    There quite a few new Big Y orders. It appears the M222 (NW Irish) and Iberian projects had a lot of good activity.

    The R1b project now has 10,165 members. I removed the proven non-R1b people today.

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    There now about 1,961 distinct subclades on the R1b FTDNA haplotree.

    The R1b project now has 10,762 members.

    Several more SNP Packs have been released over the last two months, including refresh break-outs of old SNP Packs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Factoids..

    R1b now has approximately 1,811 distinct branches on the R1b haplotree.

    The R1b-CTS4466 (Irish II) SNP Pack has been updates. Several more pack updates are in the works.

    An R1b-L2 (xZ49 xZ367) SNP Pack has been released.

    An R1b-L555 (Clan Irwin) SNP Pack has been released.

    There quite a few new Big Y orders. It appears the M222 (NW Irish) and Iberian projects had a lot of good activity.

    The R1b project now has 10,165 members. I removed the proven non-R1b people today.

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    I didn't notice this project before. Joined it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    I didn't notice this project before. Joined it now.
    To all, please ask your project members who are R-M269 or R-M343 or anything downstream to join the R1b All Subclades project now. I will be updating the R1b-Haplotypes comparison tool for those who have 67 or 111 STRs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    There now about 1,961 distinct subclades on the R1b FTDNA haplotree.
    I just counted 2,120 distinct subclades (branches) on the R1b FTDNA haplotree. I'm going to try to get a few added for my subclade this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    To all, please ask your project members who are R-M269 or R-M343 or anything downstream to join the R1b All Subclades project now. I will be updating the R1b-Haplotypes comparison tool for those who have 67 or 111 STRs.
    I've updated the R1b project 67 and 111 STR haplotype spreadsheet and moved it under the "Links" section of the R1b-YDNA project yahoo group.

    We have 7,298 67 STR haplotypes from the R1b project on the first tab/worksheet and 3,834 111 STR haplotypes on the next tab. 1,920 are gold haplotypes with 111 STRs plus Big Y.

    You can get to the web links section by going to the home page and hitting drop down on More on the menu bar across the middle. You'll end up at this URL:
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-YDNA/links/

    You can sort the links by last update date or alphabetically. As an aid for alphabetical I tried to use key words like "Research" for scientific articles, "Project" for links to other projects, etc. These are under "Tools".

    Tools - R1b project 67 and 111 STR haplotypes spreadsheet

    Tools - R1b project 111 STR haplotypes PDF

    The spreadsheet version has Genetic Distance calculations and sorting from anyone in the spreadsheet to everyone else in the spreadsheet. This breaks FTDNA's matching thresholds. There are mode, mean and variance summaries by selected subgroups. You can also see an allele (STR value) frequency distribution at the bottom.

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