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    Iberian ancestry in Italian Ancestry Composition

    I am of Tuscan Italian extraction but I have 5.7pc Iberian on Speculative Mode and 1.5pc even in Conservative Mode. Does this indicate a Spanish or Portuguese ancestor within the last few centuries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    I am of Tuscan Italian extraction but I have 5.7pc Iberian on Speculative Mode and 1.5pc even in Conservative Mode. Does this indicate a Spanish or Portuguese ancestor within the last few centuries?
    I am similar to you , except have 5.3%
    23andme told me ( about 18 months ago ) that it represents Spain from Valencia to the French border including the Spanish islands in the med.

    before my sons phasing , I had only 3.1% of Iberian ..............so I really do not know how phasing changed this percentage


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483 )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-L22 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    Why only Valencia to the French border plus Balearics?

    Do they mean "Catalan" in the widest sense?

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    Couldn't it also just mean some of the residual DNA from the ancient peoples of Italy, Iberia, and Sardinia, who were related?

    Please see the current thread under YDNA I2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    I am of Tuscan Italian extraction but I have 5.7pc Iberian on Speculative Mode and 1.5pc even in Conservative Mode. Does this indicate a Spanish or Portuguese ancestor within the last few centuries?
    Hi Cascio,

    I also show a nominal Iberian signature with 23andMe, although my Italian lineage is from Naples, Avellino, and possibly Sicily. I know the Aragonese were in Southern Italy, and wonder if this presence had any impact on affinities between Italians and Spaniards. Also, like Christina said, it could be a more ancient connection that was present throughout the Western Mediterranean.

    I'd much prefer the former hypothesis, since I love tapas.
    yDNA: R1b-BY17850 (England?)
    Maternal grandfather (MDKA: Johannes Nicholas Schaefer, Germany) - yDNA: R1b-U106, mtDNA: T2b
    Maternal grandmother (MDKA: Angelina Centrella, Avellino, Campania, Italia) - mtDNA: HV4a1


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    Why only Valencia to the French border plus Balearics?

    Do they mean "Catalan" in the widest sense?
    maybe, although Sardinia, Naples ( southern Italy )and Siciliy was once owned by the Argonese/Catalans for a very very long time............I have no idea when the Castilians ever went to Italy , if they ever did, but Fernando was a Catalan and he was King of Spain at the time of Christopher Columbus


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    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-L22 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    What region of ltaly are you from, Vettor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    What region of ltaly are you from, Vettor?
    Veneto, Trevisan


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    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-L22 ydna
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christina View Post
    Couldn't it also just mean some of the residual DNA from the ancient peoples of Italy, Iberia, and Sardinia, who were related?

    Please see the current thread under YDNA I2.
    You may be correct, but does 23andme not claim that their AC shows more recent mixture (about 500 years ago)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Veneto, Trevisan
    I don't know of any historic Spanish connection to Treviso so is the Iberian influence ancient in Northern Italy and Tuscany?

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