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    The genetic variation in the R1a clade among the Ashkenazi Levitesí Y chromosome

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14761-7

    The genetic variation in the R1a clade among the Ashkenazi Levitesí Y chromosome

    Doron M. Behar, Lauri Saag, Monika Karmin, Meir G. Gover, Jeffrey D. Wexler, Luisa Fernanda Sanchez, Elliott Greenspan, Alena Kushniarevich, Oleg Davydenko, Hovhannes Sahakyan, Levon Yepiskoposyan, Alessio Boattini, Stefania Sarno, Luca Pagani, Shai Carmi, Shay Tzur, Ene Metspalu, Concetta Bormans, Karl Skorecki, Mait Metspalu, Siiri Rootsi & Richard Villems


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    Approximately 300,000 men around the globe self-identify as Ashkenazi Levites, of whom two thirds were previously shown to descend from a single male. The paucity of whole Y-chromosome sequences precluded conclusive identification of this ancestorís age, geographic origin and migration patterns. Here, we report the variation of 486 Y-chromosomes within the Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Levite R1a clade, other Ashkenazi Jewish paternal lineages, as well as non-Levite Jewish and non-Jewish R1a samples. Cumulatively, the emerging profile is of a Middle Eastern ancestor, self-affiliating as Levite, and carrying the highly resolved R1a-Y2619 lineage, which was likely a minor haplogroup among the Hebrews. A star-like phylogeny, coalescing similarly to other Ashkenazi paternal lineages, ~1,743 ybp, suggests it to be one of the Ashkenazi paternal founders; to have expanded as part of the overall Ashkenazi demographic expansion, without special relation to the Levite affiliation; and to have subsequently spread to non-Ashkenazi Levites.

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    The sister clades of R1a-Y2619 within R1a-M582, coalescing ~3,143 (2,620–3,682) ybp, were sampled in Iranian Azeris, a Kerman, a Yazidi and one sample from Iberia
    so the Levite subclade is most related to some Iranic samples coalescing ca. 1700BC - 700BC. Nice.
    speculation: maybe someone from an Iranic clan entered the Jewish gene pool at the time of the Babylonian captivity or at the time of the Persian empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    so the Levite subclade is most related to some Iranic samples coalescing ca. 1700BC - 700BC. Nice.
    speculation: maybe someone from an Iranic clan entered the Jewish gene pool at the time of the Babylonian captivity or at the time of the Persian empire.
    See my Nethinim hypothesis:
    https://sites.google.com/site/levite...thinim-origins

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    Looks like there was an entrance of "Steppe" DNA to the Levant during the Iron Age since it exists in modern populations but is lacking in Bronze and earlier. That could have been accompanied by R1a, but also R1b-M269 as well.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    I think Ashkenazi R1a could have also been been a Mitanni lineage imo, and is fairly old in the Levant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    I think Ashkenazi R1a could have also been been a Mitanni lineage imo, and is fairly old in the Levant.
    There are actually many different subclades under R1a (including mostly those under Z93) that could have been potentially associated with the Mitanni Aryans, but I would personally favor those ones for which we know some closely related lineages/subclades in India, so this does not include neither M582 nor any other subclade under Z2122.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michał View Post
    There are actually many different subclades under R1a (including mostly those under Z93) that could have been potentially associated with the Mitanni Aryans, but I would personally favor those ones for which we know some closely related lineages/subclades in India, so this does not include neither M582 nor any other subclade under Z2122.
    I looked at the Yfull tree for the older subclades, the R-F2935 lineage has a result from Turkey which has a TMRCA of 3700 ybp, which is a little earlier than when the Mitanni came to the area, I think it's possible that maybe M582 could have been a minor lineage of the Mitanni?

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    Would love to see a further analysis of the Assyrian J1-Z1828 sample, GRC15491782.

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    and carrying the highly resolved R1a-Y2619 lineage, which was likely a minor haplogroup among the Hebrews.
    I didn;t know, that Hebrews emerged during Roman reign
    of illyrian pharaos when Constantine the Great was born...
    I stupidly thought it was 2500 years earlier... in the BA...

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    Possible, but too early for almost 800 years to bet on that.
    Nethinim were mostly Canaanites, so probably where E1.

    R1a can be from anywere: slaves, converts, Solomon servants, rape, or whatever.
    In both two first centuries Jews were massivly converting almost everybody, and
    earlier were massive buyers of slaves the same as later were massive sellers, so
    it can be really form any source, and no theory is good enuogh. And if their very
    forefather lived around 274, then there is no even slightest ties to Israelites what
    so ever, so it really has no sense to look for him in deeper past.
    Last edited by Rethel; 11-20-2017 at 10:20 AM.

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