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    Anyone know who they are? Under L657, Y7

    id:YF03545

    id:YF03526

    Unfortunately, ethnicities aren't listed.
    Last edited by Dr_McNinja; 06-03-2015 at 12:44 AM.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    These are both Saudi nationals. So these are South Asian lines sharing a common ancestor with Arabs as recently as 2400ybp.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Update, they might be Arabs of Indian origin.

    The person managing the kits said:

    Sample YF03545 belongs to a man from the Shammar tribe while sample YF03526 belongs to the Kutbi family of Medina. Their ancestor was a scholar who immigrated from India. However there is a dispute within them. The man whose sample was taken from claims descent from a Hasani Sharif who immigrated to India centuries ago while most of the family insist they are Indian in origin and have nothing to do with Hasani Sharifs or Hashemites in general.
    So it looks like it's likely native Indian R-Y7. At least for one of them.
    Last edited by Dr_McNinja; 06-10-2015 at 06:55 PM.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494*) (FTDNA Kit 311047) (YFull: YF68408), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29*) (FTDNA Kit 329181) (YFull: YF65256))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_McNinja View Post
    Update, they might be Arabs of Indian origin.

    The person managing the kits said:



    So it looks like it's likely native Indian R-Y7. At least for one of them.
    Does anyone know the provenance of YF03049ARE [AE-DU]?

    Interesting that the Shammar turned out Y7 Y879 and cluster with two Punjabis.
    id:HG02727PJL
    id:HG03624PJL
    id:YF03545
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ammar-Bedouins

    YF03526 the Kutbi line
    Y30/Y25
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...utbi#post33629

    Who knows - both may be correct - migration to Arabia and back.
    In fact Mohyal families firmly believe that's the case.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/2716459.cms?
    "Our ancestors also fought in support of Imam Hussain and sacrificed their lives in Karbala and we are equally pained at the historical martyrdom," said Bhumihar Brahmin Mahasabha convenor Arun Kumar Sharma.
    References in several books and records confirm that some Hindus did join Imam Hussain, the grandson of Prophet Mohammad, when he was through a bloody battle against Yezid at Karbala (in Iraq) on October 10, 680 AD.
    The sect, which was later named Hussaini Brahmin, had settled on the banks of river Euphrates. Subsequently, they returned to India and assumed various titles like Datts, Mohiyals, Tyagis and many others. They also practised an intriguing blend of Islamic and Hindu traditions.
    The story is told Munshi Premchand's Karbala in the legend of Sahas Rai:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=opBkfYKBOjsC&pg=PA175
    Sahas Rai and his family of seven brothers, devoted Hindus and originally from India, live in an Arabian village. Premchand probably drew the Sahas Rai interpolation from a legend popular among a pocket of Hindus
    "Sidh Datt ke nand ji Sahas Rai Parman
    Hars Rai jo Datt ji rakhen tek jo maidan -
    The well-known Sahas Rai and Hars Rai, sons of Sidh Datt, are to maintain honour in the field."

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Does anyone know the provenance of YF03049ARE [AE-DU]?

    Interesting that the Shammar turned out Y7 Y879 and cluster with two Punjabis.
    id:HG02727PJL
    id:HG03624PJL
    id:YF03545
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ammar-Bedouins

    YF03526 the Kutbi line
    Y30/Y25
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...utbi#post33629

    Who knows - both may be correct - migration to Arabia and back.
    In fact Mohyal families firmly believe that's the case.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/2716459.cms?


    The story is told Munshi Premchand's Karbala in the legend of Sahas Rai:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=opBkfYKBOjsC&pg=PA175

    "Sidh Datt ke nand ji Sahas Rai Parman
    Hars Rai jo Datt ji rakhen tek jo maidan -
    The well-known Sahas Rai and Hars Rai, sons of Sidh Datt, are to maintain honour in the field."
    Aren't the Datt J2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulgill View Post
    Aren't the Datt J2?
    Not sure. There was a Y-E1b1b1a Mohyal sample from Sialkot reported.
    kenji.aryan is J2b and a Bharadwaj Dutt and his ancestors may have been related in the past to Mohyal Datts.
    There is also an R1a1 Chibba sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Not sure. There was a Y-E1b1b1a Mohyal sample from Sialkot reported.
    kenji.aryan is J2b and a Bharadwaj Dutt and his ancestors may have been related in the past to Mohyal Datts.
    There is also an R1a1 Chibba sample.
    Then they are not of the same lineage. Y-E1b1b1a, is not it a Greek lineage? Chibba R1a1 be of your lineage, J2 people I am convinced are the IVC people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Does anyone know the provenance of YF03049ARE [AE-DU]?

    Interesting that the Shammar turned out Y7 Y879 and cluster with two Punjabis.
    id:HG02727PJL
    id:HG03624PJL
    id:YF03545
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ammar-Bedouins

    YF03526 the Kutbi line
    Y30/Y25
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...utbi#post33629

    Who knows - both may be correct - migration to Arabia and back.
    In fact Mohyal families firmly believe that's the case.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/2716459.cms?


    The story is told Munshi Premchand's Karbala in the legend of Sahas Rai:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=opBkfYKBOjsC&pg=PA175

    "Sidh Datt ke nand ji Sahas Rai Parman
    Hars Rai jo Datt ji rakhen tek jo maidan -
    The well-known Sahas Rai and Hars Rai, sons of Sidh Datt, are to maintain honour in the field."
    Some more interesting stuff, rivals of the Shammar tribe, Dulaim, have picked up R-M512 > R-L657 in Iraq. Though we need more results/samples from the tribe to get a clearer picture.. With what we have now, the distribution of the tribe depicts 80% R-M512 (a few R-L657) and the one other J-M172. More interestingly, one of the R-L657 samples is a high profile hereditary clan leader and tribal chief.

    One of the Dulaimi tribe samples also happens to live in Ramadi Iraq, unfortunately where all the turmoil going on recently.

    Also, 2 more Shaibi clan members in Mecca turned up as R-M512.

    There must have been huge shifts back then between Sindh and the Fertile Crescent. Right now everyone has ordered Y30.
    Last edited by wmehar; 12-29-2015 at 08:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmehar View Post
    Right now everyone has ordered Y30.
    Why not spend a little more and order the entire R1a-Z93 SNP Pack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Why not spend a little more and order the entire R1a-Z93 SNP Pack?
    They all don't wanna shell out $99 each; they're going to stock pile up cash to get Y-Elite for select individuals they're curious about. I'm assuming they're using their leftover funds to just get 1 SNP tested for as many individuals possible as opposed to the $99 R1a-Z93 block. I just recently purchased FG Y Elite 2.0 (or 2.1 now?... who knows).

    I'm lucky enough I was able to convince them to shoot for Y-Elite. It's hard enough communicating with these fellahs in Arabic.

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