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    Yseq now offers R1a-Z93 SNP panel for $88

    Yseq now offers an R1a-Z93 SNP panel for $88. It tests all the levels on YFull's current haplotree that have customer examples (YF0nnnn) except:
    Y1 < Y928 < Y920 < Y5 (< Y6)
    Y2392 < Y2353 < Y2351 (< Y9)
    Y879 < Y945 (< Y7)
    Y25 (< Y7)
    YP1269 (< Y52)
    V164 (< YP639)
    FGC18215 < FGC18218 (< FGC18226)
    YP1366 (< Y2630)
    YP268 (< YP265)
    M12280 (< YP413)
    YP1541 (< YP1457)
    YP1360 (< YP1347)
    YP1352 (< YP1347)
    Y15121 (< Y934)
    Y5977 (< Y5992)
    YP451 (< Y934)
    YP449 < YP451 (< Y934)
    YP450 < YP449 < YP451 (< Y934)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Yseq now offers an R1a-Z93 SNP panel for $88. It tests all the levels on YFull's current haplotree that have customer examples (YF0nnnn) except:
    Y1 < Y928 < Y920 < Y5 (< Y6)
    Y2392 < Y2353 < Y2351 (< Y9)
    Y879 < Y945 (< Y7)
    Y25 (< Y7)
    YP1269 (< Y52)
    V164 (< YP639)
    FGC18215 < FGC18218 (< FGC18226)
    YP1366 (< Y2630)
    YP268 (< YP265)
    M12280 (< YP413)
    YP1541 (< YP1457)
    YP1360 (< YP1347)
    YP1352 (< YP1347)
    Y15121 (< Y934)
    Y5977 (< Y5992)
    YP451 (< Y934)
    YP449 < YP451 (< Y934)
    YP450 < YP449 < YP451 (< Y934)
    My paternal line is Afghan and i have R1a. But i have not tested myself for Z93 yet but it is almost certain that i have it. Can i order it or should i at first make another test for Z93 or Z2124?
    Y-DNA: R1a> R-M417> R-Z645> R-Z93> R-Z94> R-Y3 (Sredny Stog culture)> R-L657> R-Y4 (Andronovo)> R-Y6> R-Y5> R-Y920* (Pashtun/Indo-Aryan)

    mtdna: H28 (Globular Amphora, Bronze Age Latvia) > H28a (Ruthenian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    My paternal line is Afghan and i have R1a. But i have not tested myself for Z93 yet but it is almost certain that i have it. Can i order it or should i at first make another test for Z93 or Z2124?
    If you know you are R1a1a1, I would say that your probability of Z93+ is so high that you may as well immediately order the Z93 SNP panel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    If you know you are R1a1a1, I would say that your probability of Z93+ is so high that you may as well immediately order the Z93 SNP panel.
    I already ordered it Everything is possible i guess but the probability for R1a-Z93- is close to zero in this case. I am certainly R1a1a1 after I looked on my SNPs. Hope the results arrive soon.
    Y-DNA: R1a> R-M417> R-Z645> R-Z93> R-Z94> R-Y3 (Sredny Stog culture)> R-L657> R-Y4 (Andronovo)> R-Y6> R-Y5> R-Y920* (Pashtun/Indo-Aryan)

    mtdna: H28 (Globular Amphora, Bronze Age Latvia) > H28a (Ruthenian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    I already ordered it Everything is possible i guess but the probability for R1a-Z93- is close to zero in this case. I am certainly R1a1a1 after I looked on my SNPs. Hope the results arrive soon.
    You could be on this line:
    R-M459-M198-M417-Z645-Z93-Z94-Z2124-Z2125-YP413-M12280

    Seen in sample: N49878, YF03623

    Please also see: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ll=1#post43330

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    You could be on this line:
    R-M459-M198-M417-Z645-Z93-Z94-Z2124-Z2125-YP413-M12280

    Seen in sample: N49878, YF03623

    Please also see: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ll=1#post43330
    Maybe I am L657. It is not rare among Pashtuns but I guess that I am most likely Z2124 and maybe the line of this samples is also my line . But I got the impression that L657 is rarer among Ghilzai Pashtuns than among other Pashtuns. Quite interesting if it is true that L657 is the Indo-Aryan line and Z2124 the Iranian line than doing this test will tell me if I am a descendant of East Iranian or Indo-Aryan/Dardic tribesmen on my paternal side. But I guess it is much more complicated in the end.
    Y-DNA: R1a> R-M417> R-Z645> R-Z93> R-Z94> R-Y3 (Sredny Stog culture)> R-L657> R-Y4 (Andronovo)> R-Y6> R-Y5> R-Y920* (Pashtun/Indo-Aryan)

    mtdna: H28 (Globular Amphora, Bronze Age Latvia) > H28a (Ruthenian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Maybe I am L657. It is not rare among Pashtuns but I guess that I am most likely Z2124 and maybe the line of this samples is also my line . But I got the impression that L657 is rarer among Ghilzai Pashtuns than among other Pashtuns. Quite interesting if it is true that L657 is the Indo-Aryan line and Z2124 the Iranian line than doing this test will tell me if I am a descendant of East Iranian or Indo-Aryan/Dardic tribesmen on my paternal side. But I guess it is much more complicated in the end.
    Sure L657 is possible. Also Y40 is possible too, we just had a confirmed Y40 case from eastern UP.

    All three lines have pan-subcontinental distributions, with varying proportions. Plus we also know that all three lines originated at approximately the same time (and place).

    Therefore I do not think that Z2124 or Y40 are Iranian or Turkic, or that L657 is not Iranian. After all, Z93 from NE Iran is L657 and Z2124 was found to be absent there, while in N. and S. Iran both are present, though in low proportions. Among Afghan Tajiks and Afghan Uzbeks, Z2124 and L657 are present in about equal proportions. The Pakhtoon and the Kirgiz, especially the latter, are predominantly Z2124.

    Interestingly, while Z93 Ashkenazi Jews are Z2124 (Z2122, M582), Underhill found four non-Indian, non-Ashkenazi Jewish samples (Behar and Rootsi) to be L657.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Sure L657 is possible. Also Y40 is possible too, we just had a confirmed Y40 case from eastern UP.

    All three lines have pan-subcontinental distributions, with varying proportions. Plus we also know that all three lines originated at approximately the same time (and place).

    Therefore I do not think that Z2124 or Y40 are Iranian or Turkic, or that L657 is not Iranian. After all, Z93 from NE Iran is L657 and Z2124 was found to be absent there, while in N. and S. Iran both are present, though in low proportions. Among Afghan Tajiks and Afghan Uzbeks, Z2124 and L657 are present in about equal proportions. The Pakhtoon and the Kirgiz, especially the latter, are predominantly Z2124.

    Interestingly, while Z93 Ashkenazi Jews are Z2124 (Z2122, M582), Underhill found four non-Indian, non-Ashkenazi Jewish samples (Behar and Rootsi) to be L657.
    I looked at the ftdna R1a project tables and it is quite interesting that L657 is present among the Babasan tribe from Northern Kazakhstan in quite large numbers . So I guess it is much more complicated and historic Iranian and Indo-Aryan tribes had people belonging to all of this lines. I know not much about Y40 and there is hardly much information about it. Where it is most frequent today?

    I got the kit yesterday and sent it back today. It should arrive in the lab in Berlin in just few days (I live in Germany) and in some weeks I should get my results
    Last edited by Coldmountains; 08-07-2015 at 08:08 PM.
    Y-DNA: R1a> R-M417> R-Z645> R-Z93> R-Z94> R-Y3 (Sredny Stog culture)> R-L657> R-Y4 (Andronovo)> R-Y6> R-Y5> R-Y920* (Pashtun/Indo-Aryan)

    mtdna: H28 (Globular Amphora, Bronze Age Latvia) > H28a (Ruthenian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    I looked at the ftdna R1a project tables and it is quite interesting that L657 is present among the Babasan tribe from Northern Kazakhstan in quite large numbers . So I guess it is much more complicated and historic Iranian and Indo-Aryan tribes had people belonging to all of this lines. I know not much about Y40 and there is hardly much information about it. Where it is most frequent today?

    I got the kit yesterday and sent it back today. It should arrive in the lab in Berlin in just few days (I live in Germany) and in some weeks I should get my results
    Those Babasan L657 are all closely related, with essentially identical STRs. My feeling was they are descended of an Arab missionary since a Babasan Morza is mentioned in about the time-frame when Islamic missionaries visited that region. https://books.google.com/books?id=n5kUAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA989

    A researcher from that family posits a Bokharan origin, which is too is possible.
    http://atababa.kz/en/history/read/pr..._roda_babasan/
    Last edited by parasar; 08-07-2015 at 09:05 PM. Reason: link added

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    I looked at the ftdna R1a project tables and it is quite interesting that L657 is present among the Babasan tribe from Northern Kazakhstan in quite large numbers . So I guess it is much more complicated and historic Iranian and Indo-Aryan tribes had people belonging to all of this lines. I know not much about Y40 and there is hardly much information about it. Where it is most frequent today?

    I got the kit yesterday and sent it back today. It should arrive in the lab in Berlin in just few days (I live in Germany) and in some weeks I should get my results
    Did you get your results? I see you are now listed as Z93+

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