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    Haplogroup J2a Iron Age Altai

    With some further investigating and team work it has been determined that the haplogroup J2a sample from Iron Age Altai belongs to the L24 subclade. Some further digging and reading also revealed that this sample is labelled RISE602 in the RISE project and was discovered in the Sary-Bel kurgan. It has been dated to Iron Age (900/700 BC-AD 500/1000 ) and a rough translation from a Russian site has this to say about this burial site. ''So Sarah burial cemetery date back to the beginning of Bel-Hun-Sarmatian time and,
    may belong to the people, which penetrated into the Altai Mountains to the southeast".

    The Bulan-Kobin culture evolved out of the Pazyryk culture which was Scythian. So there seems like there is a good chance then that this J2a-L24 male may have belonged to the Bulan-Kobin culture which had its origins in the earlier Pazyryk culture.
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    My fellow haplogroup J2 researchers seem to have jumped the gun on this one a bit and reported this ancient sample as J2a-L24. With further inspection on the BAM files though it appears that this sample is actually just J2a-M410 instead. If someone could change the title of this thread to "Haplogroup J2a Iron Age Altai" that would be great thanks.
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    Apparently the other J2 sample from Iron Age Russia actually also comes from Altai. It comes from a site called Kytmanovo. So this is now two J2 samples from Iron Age Altai. This is getting very interesting. Perhaps it was J2/J2a men that introduced iron technology to this part of the world.

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    I said it sooo many times now it is finally proven. J2a beside R1 and R2 and some G/LT is one of the main Haplogroups of the ancient Indo_Iranians.

    A person just needs to look at the overall distribution of Haplogroups among modern Indo_Iranian speakers. J2a is among the most frequent Haplogroups in ALL Indo_Iranian speakers.

    And now my words are final confirmed. Even though on Eurogenes some people still "doubt it".
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    Those plain "J2"/J-M172 people on 23andMe should really get SNP testing on FTDNA or YSEQ. I'm virtually certain they're all going to be J2a. It's in a lot of South Asians.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_McNinja View Post
    Those plain "J2"/J-M172 people on 23andMe should really get SNP testing on FTDNA or YSEQ. I'm virtually certain they're all going to be J2a. It's in a lot of South Asians.

    Just look at the distribution of J2a, years ago even Dienekes noticed this, that beside the typical R Haplogroups J2 is very heavy among all Indo_Iranian speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterRoshi View Post
    I said it sooo many times now it is finally proven. J2a beside R1 and R2 and some G is one of the main Haplogroups of the ancient Indo_Iranians.

    A person just needs to look at the overall distribution of Haplogroups among modern Indo_Iranian speakers. J2a is among the most frequent Haplogroups in ALL Indo_Iranian speakers.

    And now my words are final confirmed. Even though oN Eurogenes some people still "doubt it".
    No offense, but you are not the only one who has been saying this. There are plenty of people who have suggested a link between Indo-Iranian speaking peoples and J2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterRoshi View Post
    Just look at the distribution of J2a, years ago even Dienekes noticed this, that beside the typical R Haplogroups J2 is very heavy among all Indo_Iranian speakers.
    OK. Well, at least you are spreading the love around a bit here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanist View Post
    No offense, but you are not the only one who has been saying this. There are plenty of people who have suggested a link between Indo-Iranian speaking peoples and J2.
    True it's just that if you were saying the same for many years you will first mention yourself of course like "I was right"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterRoshi View Post
    I said it sooo many times now it is finally proven. J2a beside R1 and R2 and some G is one of the main Haplogroups of the ancient Indo_Iranians.

    A person just needs to look at the overall distribution of Haplogroups among modern Indo_Iranian speakers. J2a is among the most frequent Haplogroups in ALL Indo_Iranian speakers.

    And now my words are final confirmed. Even though oN Eurogenes some people still "doubt it".
    J2a is not very frequent among Pahtuns at all though really.

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