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    RISE47 from Denmark

    Do all mtDNA I share these mutations? My dad's kit has all these mutations. I was wondering if that would be enough to determine the sample is actually I2. If the answer to my first question is "YES", then I guess it's impossible to determine.

    73G, 750G, 1438G, 2706G, 10034C, 10238C, 11719A, 13780G, 15326G, 16223T, 16391A
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    I've done a preliminary scan on RISE47, he was:

    M520/PF6410+ (in R1b1a2-M269)
    PF6438+ (in R1b1a2-M269)
    A702/Z8137/rs67021730+ (Approx with R1b-M343 or R1b1-M415)
    L388/PF6468+ (below R1b1)
    CTS7659/FGC50/PF6470+ (Approx or below R-L388)
    L62/M513/PF6200- (not in R1a)
    P297/PF6398+ (in R1b1a)
    P312/PF6547/S116- (not in R1b1a2a1a2-P312)
    L754/PF6269/YSC0000022+ (Approx with R1b-M343 or R1b1-M415)

    .. which puts him on the R1b1a2-M269 branch, for now. There was speculation elsewhere that he is A533+, allegedly positioned around R-Z159 below R-U106, but I can't substantiate that. I suspect the Ybrowse entry for A533 is in error; also A533 is not recognized by the R1b-U106 Project Y-tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VinceT View Post
    I've done a preliminary scan on RISE47, he was:

    M520/PF6410+ (in R1b1a2-M269)
    PF6438+ (in R1b1a2-M269)
    A702/Z8137/rs67021730+ (Approx with R1b-M343 or R1b1-M415)
    L388/PF6468+ (below R1b1)
    CTS7659/FGC50/PF6470+ (Approx or below R-L388)
    L62/M513/PF6200- (not in R1a)
    P297/PF6398+ (in R1b1a)
    P312/PF6547/S116- (not in R1b1a2a1a2-P312)
    L754/PF6269/YSC0000022+ (Approx with R1b-M343 or R1b1-M415)

    .. which puts him on the R1b1a2-M269 branch, for now. There was speculation elsewhere that he is A533+, allegedly positioned around R-Z159 below R-U106, but I can't substantiate that. I suspect the Ybrowse entry for A533 is in error; also A533 is not recognized by the R1b-U106 Project Y-tree.
    Thanks, but I meant his mtDNA
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Oops... I have Y-DNA on the brain!

    Hmm..., well, according to Phylotree.org, I2 should have G16129A! (=16129G), T152C! (=152T), G207A, and A15758G.


    RISE47 shows a no-call for 16129, 152T, a no-call for 207, and 15758A. So possibly I2'3, but not I2.

    Also:
    I1 is out because 9966G
    I3 possible because no-call at 239
    I4 possible because no-call at 8519
    I5 is out because 14233A
    I6 is out because 3645T
    I7 unlikely because 3534C and 4829A

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