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Thread: R1b-U106 in Swedish Battle Axe Culture (a Corded Ware subgroup)

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    R1b-U106 in Swedish Battle Axe Culture (a Corded Ware subgroup)

    Here is a nice document of y-dna results put together by Jean M from the recent Allentoft et al paper.

    Notice that RISE98 of the Swedish Battle Axe culture, a Scandinavian Corded Ware subgroup, is R1b-U106?

    That strikes me as a pretty exciting result, although I am not U106+ myself. IMHO, it tends to confirm the apparent very long term connection between U106 and the evolution of Germanic.

    Congratulations, cousins!

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    I'm interested in learning more about RISE98. With what artifacts was he buried? With whom was he buried? He might be my great something-or-other grandpappy. BTW, is there a mtDNA haplogroup for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can't_lurk_no_mo' View Post
    I'm interested in learning more about RISE98. With what artifacts was he buried? With whom was he buried? He might be my great something-or-other grandpappy. BTW, is there a mtDNA haplogroup for him?
    You can see some of the details on page 12 of 46 here. I'm sure there must have been some identifying artifacts that enabled a connection to be made between this individual and the Swedish Battle Axe Culture, but I don't yet know what they were.

    The date range for his remains is 2275-2032 BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can't_lurk_no_mo' View Post
    I'm interested in learning more about RISE98. With what artifacts was he buried? With whom was he buried? He might be my great something-or-other grandpappy. BTW, is there a mtDNA haplogroup for him?
    His mtDNA haplogroup was K1b1a1. He was buried at Lilla Beddinge in grave 49. Here is Battle Axe Culture pottery from that cemetery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded...yxekeramik.jpg
    Last edited by Jean M; 06-15-2015 at 07:44 PM.

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    My mom has U106 and my dad P312(DF27). So, both clades of R1b-L11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can't_lurk_no_mo' View Post
    With what artifacts was he buried? With whom was he buried?
    Lilla Bedinge in southern Scania comprises the largest known cemetery associated with the Swedish Battle Axe Culture. The site, extending over an area of about 240×30 m, is located only about 1 km from the present day coast line. The majority of the at least 14 identified and excavated flat earth inhumations graves are located on a NE–SW oriented moraine embankment, whereas four of the graves are found on the flatter grounds to the SE. The site also includes a number of Late Bronze Age cremation graves, and two other find spots for BAC inhumation graves are known in the nearby region....

    Grave 49
    was excavated by Hansen 1934. It constitutes a N–S oriented subsurface oval stone construction with pointed edges, measuring about 4.5×2 m, where flat stone slabs form a roof over a chamber with an original height estimated to about 0.6–0.7 m. Fragments of wood indicate the presence of planks in the chamber. On the stone paved floor of the chamber three adult individuals had been placed in a line in sitting crouched positions facing southwest. Between the northern and middle skeleton fragmented remains of three children (initially only two were identified), representing two infants and a juvenile, were recovered. Further, some very brittle diaphyses of a fourth adult have been identified. The only recovered find is a bone needle deposited next to the northern skeleton (Hansen 1934; Malmer 1962:162p ; During unpublished notes). According to Malmer (2002:141) the grave can be dated to Period 4, and an unpublished radiocarbon date from the northern skeleton falls within the interval 2580–1980 cal. BC (2σ, 3850±105 BP, Ua-2758, During unpublished notes).

    http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get...FULLTEXT01.pdf

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    Yes. RISE98 is U106+ and currently 5 private SNPs have been identified. 2 - well maybe 3 - of these SNPs are not covered by existing Big-Y results so there will be some additional testing occurring if their regions can be sequenced at YSEQ. Details of the RISE98 BAM file analysis will come from others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cofgene View Post
    Yes. RISE98 is U106+ and currently 5 private SNPs have been identified. 2 - well maybe 3 - of these SNPs are not covered by existing Big-Y results so there will be some additional testing occurring if their regions can be sequenced at YSEQ. Details of the RISE98 BAM file analysis will come from others.
    if there are at least 5 private MPs after U106 in a burial with dates centred around 2300BC then it does at least help put a minimum age on U106.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    if there are at least 5 private MPs after U106 in a burial with dates centred around 2300BC then it does at least help put a minimum age on U106.
    Good question.

    If I can assume the following that there are 130 SNPs from 'R' to U106, and we now have a upper and lower SNP ages, then:

    If MA-1, a four year old boy when he died, cal 24000 ybp had five ancestral SNPs back to 'R' and had 35 private derived SNPs for a total number of 40 below "R". From that node down to P312/U106 node amounts to 90 SNPs.

    Add that U106+ RISE98 has five derived SNPs for 95 total and is dated to middle age of 2153.5 cal BC (2275 BC and 2032 BC). The difference of years between MA-1 and RISE98 is 19846.5 years.

    The average years per SNP is 208.9 years. Add back five derived SNPs total of 1044.6 years back to U106 which would be 5,198 ybp (3,198 bc), if all of this holds up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cofgene View Post
    Yes. RISE98 is U106+ and currently 5 private SNPs have been identified. 2 - well maybe 3 - of these SNPs are not covered by existing Big-Y results so there will be some additional testing occurring if their regions can be sequenced at YSEQ. Details of the RISE98 BAM file analysis will come from others.
    I've been gobsmacked about this all day! Greg Magoon has already ran it through the FGC analysis pipeline, and as cofgene stated, identified 5 "high-reliability" private SNPs - if you can call 4000+ year-old SNPs "private".

    Y:7189712 G>T = FGC36477+
    Y:8876940 A>G = FGC36478+
    Y:9925446 G>A = FGC36479+
    Y:13397473 C>A = FGC36480+ (rs111331790)
    Y:13412040 C>T = FGC36481+ (rs76331798)

    The latter 2 are in or near the centromeric region and may be unstable (-- the existing rs-identifiers are a clue), but as cofgene said, they've all been submitted to YSEQ, so we'll have to see what Thomas Krahn has to say in the days ahead.

    But if there are three or five SNPs, they do suggest that U106 is definitely older than the dates provided by the C14 analysis, and suggests an earlier relationship between Corded Ware / Swedish Battle Axe and the Bell-Beaker graves of south-east Germany.

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