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Thread: Were Myceneans lineages R1b or R1a

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    Are we supposed to finally get some aDNA from the area anytime in the near future, or are we just gessing here? I would bet on R1b-L23 though...maybe J2b-M241 too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyss View Post
    Mycenean refers to the proto-Greek civilisation of the Peloponnese.
    Question : Were the Indo-European paternal lineages of Myceneans R1b or R1a?
    My guess R1b

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    R1b-DF21-S5456-S6166, H1C1

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    As you're probably aware, greece has been sampled from neolithic to Bronze Age. Some of these- but not the bulk- would be from Mycenean times too, both North and southern greece. The mtDNA data was presented in conferences already. I think full sequencing and Y dnA is on the cards in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heber View Post
    Speculation that is is a lost Spartan Palace from 17th century BC.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...7th-century-bc
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    srry about that wrong thread

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    We are still waiting for it!

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    My guess is
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    And g2a

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    I agree that the odds are that it will be R1b-Z2103 or a close relative, perhaps PF7558/PF7562 (the brother clade of L23). The odds of R1a would be much lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arame View Post
    This is a very good question.
    I am pretty sure that it will be R1b-Z2103 related maybe some R1b upstream also. The presence of R1b in Armenia at 1800 BC shows that it must be also present in Greece. Because the link between Armenian and Greek languages.
    So my bet is R1b. But for Dorians I think R1a is a good candidate. The Dorians brought a second layer of IE words that links Greek words to Iranian languages.

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    Gimbutas on the Mycenaeans:

    The period of 2500 to 2200 BC was the peak and the final stage of the Kurgan expansion. Immense destruction of the towns in the Aegean area, Turkey and in the eastern Mediterranean marked the arrival of the Kurgan tribes. By the time of this historical period, the Mycenaean Greeks are known in Greece and the Hittites in Anatolia. Fabulous treasures in royal tombs indicate the prowess of the Indo-European chieftains in war, in plunder, and in ruling over the peoples of different cultural backgrounds.
    page 129, "The Kurgan Culture and the Indo-Europeanization of Europe"

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