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    A new paper comparing current Albanian (Ghegs, Tosks) Y chromosome with Arbereshe

    Very interesting results for haplogroups. This is what I got as far as the percentage of the most frequent haplogroups.
    All samples along with STRs and SNPs tested are on Table S3 under "Supplementary Info":
    http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2015138a.html

    *Note that "x" before a SNP means tested negative for it. Totals don't add up to 100% since I didn't report some haplogroups below 3%.

    Gheg Albanians (119):
    E1b-V13: 38%
    J2b-M12: 25%
    R1b-L51 (xP311): 12%
    R1b-M269 (xL51): 4.2%
    I2a (xM26,M223): 3.3%
    R1a-M17: 2.5%
    I1-M253: 3.3%

    Tosk Albanians (104):
    E1b-V13: 29%
    J2b-M12: 12%
    R1b-L51 (xP311): 8%
    R1b-M269 (xL51): 6%
    I2a (xM26,M223): 11.5%
    I2a-M223: 5%
    R1a-M17: 6%
    I1-M253: 3.8%

    Arbereshe Albanians (Southern Italy, 150):
    E1b-V13: 13%
    J2b-M12: 3%
    R1b-L51 (xP311): NONE
    R1b-M269 (xL51): 8%
    I2a (xM26,M223): 10%
    I2a-M223: 10%
    R1a-M17: 10%
    E1b (xV13): 13%
    I1-M253: 5.3%
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    Trojet,
    Nice breakdowns of the haplogroups. I had put a post for this in the Albanian DNA Project thread about a half hour ago. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...-Project/page5 This paper seems to have been buried in the New DNA Papers thread. Oh well I suppose the Arbereshe deserve their own thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tįltos View Post
    Trojet,
    Nice breakdowns of the haplogroups. I had put a post for this in the Albanian DNA Project thread about a half hour ago. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...-Project/page5 This paper seems to have been buried in the New DNA Papers thread. Oh well I suppose the Arbereshe deserve their own thread.
    If we can create a new thread, why not This seems like a very large study, so I think it deserves a new thread. I wish they would have tested more downstream SNPs of certain haplogroups, or more STRs (not just 17), but this is what we got. I was mainly interested in haplogroup breakdown, so I did my best. Obviously the percentages dont add up to 100% since I didnt include some smaller percentages of haplogroups, however if anyone is interested in other registered haplogroups, they are on table S3 of that nature link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    Gheg Albanians:
    R1b-L51 xP311: 12%

    Tosk Albanians:
    R1b-L51 xP311: 8%
    L51xP311 is amazingly common among Albanians.

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    Nice breakdown.

    Some [non-listed] minor haplogroups are so specific to an area that it clearly show the direction of the geneflow, here from the natives to the Arbėreshė, like one E-M81 in a Sicilian Arbėreshė IIRC.

    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    L51xP311 is amazingly common among Albanians.
    I'm surprised by those high numbers.
    Paternal Y-DNA haplogroup: E-M35>E-Z827>L19>M81>M183
    Maternal [grandfather] Y-DNA: E-M35>E-Z827>L19>M81>M183>PF2477>PF2546
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    13910: TT (rs4988235 AA)
    22018: AA (rs182549 TT)

    (my mother's LP: same results)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    L51xP311 is amazingly common among Albanians.
    Could it be the the best candidate for IE speaking, Illyrians?
    Interesting that this R1b-L51 xP311 didn't even register among Arbereshe, however there is a big discrepancy for J2b and E-V13 as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    L51xP311 is amazingly common among Albanians.
    This is indeed very surprising since previous studies have shown no L51(xP311) in the Balkans (including 0/114 among the Kosovars).

    I have just taken a look at their STR haplotypes, and there is something strange with these results. Nearly all those L51(xP311) haplotypes (or at least 19/22) seem to be a part of a relatively young cluster that is characterized mostly by the co-existence of DYS393=13, DYS385=11-11, DYS458<17(15 or 16) and DYS456=15. The most intriguing thing is that these are exactly the results that are characteristic for a specific subcluster under Z2103 (probably within CTS9219>BY611) that seems to be quite common among the Albanians.

    There are three possible explanations for the above results: 1) extreme coincidence, 2) recurrence of L51 under BY611, 3) lab error.
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    BTW, aren't the numbers for M269xL51 (I guess mostly for Z2103 and PF7562) much below what should be expected based on some previous estimates? If so, this makes it more likely that most of those putative L51xP311 cases are indeed Z2103+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michał View Post
    This is indeed very surprising since previous studies have shown no L51(xP311) in the Balkans (including 0/114 among the Kosovars).

    I have just taken a look at their STR haplotypes, and there is something strange in these results. Nearly all those L51(xP311) haplotypes (or at least 19/22) seem to be a part of a relatively young cluster that is characterized mostly by the co-existence of DYS393=13, DYS385=11-11, DYS458<17(15 or 16) and DYS456=15. The most intriguing thing is that these are exactly the results that are characteristic for a specific subcluster under Z2103 (probably within CTS9219>BY611) that seems to be quite common among the Albanians.

    There are three possible explanations for the above results: 1) extreme coincidence, 2) recurrence of L51 under BY611, 3) lab error.
    Unfortunately I couldn't see results for DYS426. AFAIK, every L51* has a value of 13 here.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster 1100 BC
    m gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    m gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    m ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    p ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Turner: R-U152
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    Unfortunately I couldn't see results for DYS426. AFAIK, every L51* has a value of 13 here.
    Let's be precise. We don't know any L51* case yet (I guess you meant L51xP311). DYS426=13 seems to be characteristic for PF7589, a subclade under L51 that is parallel to L11/P311. Hence, a potential absence of DYS426=13 in those Albanian samples would not allow us to "rule out" L51xP311 (or "true" L51*, which, in fact, would be much more interesting).

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