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    I just noticed your line is under YP4858 with a Syrian.


    This seems like another Mitanni lineage, TMRCA fits, Kurdish Z282 is also under the same clade. Anyone know who're the other gentlemen id:YF08495, id:YF04246?

    E-M84>FGC18389>FGC18413>FGC18401>FGC18422>Y99171 tMRCA 2550ybp

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    I just noticed your line is under YP4858 with a Syrian.


    This seems like another Mitanni lineage, TMRCA fits, Kurdish Z282 is also under the same clade. Anyone know who're the other gentlemen id:YF08495, id:YF04246?



    The Syrian is a Druze from As-Suwayda. The area is 99% Druze, so this was very surprising to me. I have been trying to get more information on him and the others, but so far have been unsuccessful.
    How/When/Why this line got the Pakistan is perplexing me more and more haha.

    I think the majority of people under R-Y17491 are Kurdish? Your blog has has a few Kurds in this group if I remember.
    Last edited by khanabadoshi; 07-09-2017 at 01:01 PM.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    The Syrian is a Druze from As-Suwayda. The area is 99% Druze, so this was very surprising to me. I have been trying to get more information on him and the others, but so far have been unsuccessful.
    How/When/Why this line got the Pakistan is perplexing me more and more haha.

    I think the majority of people under R-Y17491 are Kurdish? Your blog has has a few Kurds in this group if I remember.
    There're some Druzes having Kurdish ancestry, but would be speculation to say if it's recent Kurdish ancestry for him or not, TMRCA doesnt support that at least for now, so it seems autochthonous atm. I wouldn't say majority is Kurdish for sure but yeah many Kurdish R1a falls under the clade. One Kurdish tribe is YP5820 shared with an Armenian AFAIK.
    E-M84>FGC18389>FGC18413>FGC18401>FGC18422>Y99171 tMRCA 2550ybp

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    Anyone know who're the other gentlemen id:YF08495, id:YF04246?
    Public R1a Project results suggest that YF04246 (R-YP5930) is probably #132838 of Poland.
    Last edited by lgmayka; 07-09-2017 at 02:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    There're some Druzes having Kurdish ancestry, but would be speculation to say if it's recent Kurdish ancestry for him or not, TMRCA doesnt support that at least for now, so it seems autochthonous atm. I wouldn't say majority is Kurdish for sure but yeah many Kurdish R1a falls under the clade. One Kurdish tribe is YP5820 shared with an Armenian AFAIK.
    YES, this is true. There are Druzes who are of Kurdish origin. The most famous among them are the Joumblatts or Joumpalats. For the most part Druzes have not allowed new converts after the 11th century and practice a level of severe endogamy akin to that practiced among some upper caste Hindus. There are also Druze villages in remote NW Syria my assumption is these people were also former Kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    There're some Druzes having Kurdish ancestry, but would be speculation to say if it's recent Kurdish ancestry for him or not, TMRCA doesnt support that at least for now, so it seems autochthonous atm. I wouldn't say majority is Kurdish for sure but yeah many Kurdish R1a falls under the clade. One Kurdish tribe is YP5820 shared with an Armenian AFAIK.
    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    YES, this is true. There are Druzes who are of Kurdish origin. The most famous among them are the Joumblatts or Joumpalats. For the most part Druzes have not allowed new converts after the 11th century and practice a level of severe endogamy akin to that practiced among some upper caste Hindus. There are also Druze villages in remote NW Syria my assumption is these people were also former Kurds.


    Found the Druze in my FTDNA matches. Under paternal he has the following listed:


    فرع حمدان الحمدان؛ آل الحمدان؛ كناكر؛ السويداء

    Looks like his surname is Al-Hamdan and he is from Kanaker, Syria.

    The Al Hamdan claim descent from the Hamdanids (Banu Hamdan), an Arab dynasty that governed much of northern Syria during Fatimid rule in the 10th century.[1] This claim is accepted by 20th-century French historian N. Bouron and Druze historian A. Najjar.[1] However, Druze historian Kais Firro views the claim of Hamdanid descent as skeptical and believes the Al Hamdan invented and spread it to boost their legitimacy as leaders of the Druze community, which generally held great respect for noble genealogy.[1] According to Al Hamdan tradition, members of the family adopted the Druze faith during the Fatimid era, and migrated to Mount Lebanon during the Fatimid decline in Syria.[1] However, early Druze chronicles do not mention conversion to the Druze religion among any members of the Hamdanid dynasty.[1] In Mount Lebanon, the Al Hamdan were based in the village of Kafra.
    Last edited by khanabadoshi; 07-18-2017 at 10:13 AM.
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    Hey bro! My mtDNA(M) is A8a and my maternal grandmother is from Shenyang, which is a city in the northeast of China. I have done 2 companies testing like: Wegene and Yoogene. Recently, I just uploaded my raw data on Yfull. And here is my YFull ID: YF84974. May I ask you a question? What is your Yfull ID? YF62816? By the way, here is some information about A8a modern and ancient samples. I will find a way to send these files, then you can download tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sansui Yang View Post
    Hey bro! My mtDNA(M) is A8a and my maternal grandmother is from Shenyang, which is a city in the northeast of China. I have done 2 companies testing like: Wegene and Yoogene. Recently, I just uploaded my raw data on Yfull. And here is my YFull ID: YF84974. May I ask you a question? What is your Yfull ID? YF62816? By the way, here is some information about A8a modern and ancient samples. I will find a way to send these files, then you can download tables.
    Hey! Appreciate any information you have.

    My yfull id is YF04155.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

    Four things are the gift of Multan: Dusty winds, hot seasons, beggars and graveyards.




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    OK! This package includes: A8a modern samples table, A8a ancient samples table and some articles about A8a. Hope this information helps you.
    Please click here to download:
    Link:https://client.raysync.cloud/share/1...language=en-US
    Password:xWkh

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    News: Recently I found 2 samples of maternal haplogroups of A8a, one from the WeGene community and one from a paper. Unfortunately, the tester from the WeGene community didn't respond to me, so I don't have his raw data. But what is known is that he is a Beijing Manchu. But the good news is that there's another sample that I have raw data on, and it's a Tibetan sample:

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    64, 73, 146, 151, 235, 263, 309+CC, 315+C, 523-524d, 663, 750, 1438, 1736, 2706, 3106N, 3144, 4248, 4508, 4769, 4824, 5046, 7028, 7711, 8794, 8860, 9300,
    9531, 11719, 12705, 14766, 15326, 15758, 16223, 16264, 16290, 16319

    According to my preliminary judgment, this sample should belong to A8a3 (YFull: A4), because this sample, me and the rest of my known samples have mutations at the three sites of 5046, 7711, and 3144.

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