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    A8A?

    I have done 23andme, Genographic 2.0, DNAtribes, and now ftDNA is in progress. Consistently results for mtDNA is A8A. My maternal lineage is from the Chitral Valley in Pakistan, I can confirm this for at least 5 generations, and probably more -- the valley is extremely isolated and only opened up to outsiders in the past century.

    As I understand A haplogroups are most prominent in Native Americans, and particularly A8 is mostly found in Sibera? There does not seem to be much information out there. I was hoping I could gain some clarity here.

    EDIT: I thought I should add that the ethnic group is called Kho (colloquially called Chitrali) and they speak a language called Khowari. The language is believed to be the closest living language to Sanskrit. Almost everyone is fluent in Dari as well. They live in proximity to the Kalash, 15 miles south of them. Some amount of Kalash have been absorbed by the Kho. I believe they are similar to Nuristanis in Afghanistan, as the border is a 10 miles to the east. The Wakhan Corridor to Tajikistan and the Pamirs is 60 miles north.
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    Mitogenomic Diversity in Tatars from the Volga-Ural Region of Russia
    http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/conten...expansion.html
    haplogroup A8, which is defined now by transition at np 64 and consists of two related groups of lineages—A8a, with control region motif 146-16242 (previously defined as A8 by Derenko et al. [2007]), and A8b, with motif 16227C-16230 ...
    A8a is present even in Transylvania at frequency of 1.1% among Romanians, thus indicating that the presence of such mtDNA lineages in Europe may be mostly a consequence of medieval migrations of nomadic tribes from Siberia and the Volga-Ural region to Central Europe
    Okunevo: Allentoft sample RISE515 2340-2145 BC A8a 64T, 73G, 146C, 235G, 263G, 663G, 722T, 1438G, 1736G, 4248C, 4824G, 11719A, 12705T, 14766T, 15326G, 16242T, 16290T, 16293C, 16319A

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    I'm a bit of a layman, the numbers hurt my eyes (lol!) -- but, am I to interpret this as: not-so-ancient crusade-era-Siberans went eastwards towards Europe and some detoured into the mountains of the Karakoram?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    I have done 23andme, Genographic 2.0, DNAtribes, and now ftDNA is in progress. Consistently results for mtDNA is A8A. My maternal lineage is from the Chitral Valley in Pakistan, I can confirm this for at least 5 generations, and probably more -- the valley is extremely isolated and only opened up to outsiders in the past century ...
    khanabadoshi,

    If I may ask, could your please provide information on your paternal ancestry too?
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    khanabadoshi,

    If I may ask, could your please provide information on your paternal ancestry too?
    Thanks.
    It's complicated. I'm going to post the details with timelines that are established for certain.

    Paternal grandfather: Baloch
    5th generation settled on right bank of Indus across Dera Ghazi Khan and near Muzaffargarh -- between Indus and Chenab rivers; first person settled ~1750 CE, named Wali Khan. Durrani Governer of Multan, Muzaffar Khan Sadozai awarded many Baloch land for military service. Wali Khan's name is recorded in Durrani records, transferred to Sikh Administration then British. This is how we know when he arrived based on the fact it was Afghan rule at the time. Family tree before Wali Khan is unknown. [I wrote all to explain why I may NOT be Baloch -- despite, there being no doubt by the tribe, and all the tribes and people around us]

    Paternal grandmother: Kashmiri (born in Srinagar, settled Lahore ~1920 CE)

    Maternal grandfather: Baloch (same tribe as paternal)


    Maternal grandmother: Born/settled in Peshawar;
    her FATHER: Born in Tashkent, Uzbekistan (settled in Peshawar ~ 1910CE) -- Paternally Uzbek (Tashkent), Maternally Kho/Chitrali (Drosh)
    her MOTHER: Born in Drosh, Chitral -- Kho/Chitrali; same tribe as her husband's mother

    So my maternal grandmother is: 1/4th Uzbek; 3/4th Chitrali

    So I should be:

    50% Baloch; 25% Kashmiri; 18.75% Kho ; 6.25% Uzbek
    Y-DNA: should follow Baloch line (Z-282)
    mtDNA: should follow Kho line (A8A)


    However, DNA Tribes says I'm a Cochin Jew; Harappa says I'm like 90% Kashmiri; Eurogenes says I'm a Jatt. LOL!
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    The thread is about A8a but i like to comment about Z282 here. There are a few Z282+, Z280-, Z284-, M458- samples from Kurdistan and Armenia. Mainstream opinion is that Baloch language bearers immigrated from somewhere around Kurdistan. Some Baloch tribes claim they're Kurdish in origin. However modern Balochs are autosomally autochthonous where they live in Balochistan.

    In addition to that samples from Kuwait and UAE (Z282+, Z280-, Z284-, M458-) could be related to Baloch merchants on Persian Gulf.

    3. M420>M459>M198>M417>Z645>Z283>Z282-A West Asian cluster
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults
    Last edited by MfA; 07-24-2015 at 04:29 PM.
    E-M84>FGC18389>FGC18413>FGC18401>FGC18422>Y99171 tMRCA 2550ybp

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