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Thread: V20 SNP defines new subhaplogroup of C

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    Two more C-V20 BAM files are now undergoing analysis at YFull. You can see them on YFull's C1a2 haplotree.

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    We have the first C1a2 V20 from Armenia.
    And he recieved his Big Y.!

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    So, Y-haplo C1a2 (C-V20) is a newly identified subclade. ISOGG lists it in the ISOGG 2015 tree and gives markers. My LivingDNA trest returned positive STR markers for C1a2, Thus:
    C:M130/Page51/RPS4Y711,CTS6203,CTS2377,CTS6378,Z4083,F3043,P260/P324,F3719,F3400,F2897/V3600,M130/Page51/RPS4Y711,Z4082,F2858/V3553,F2211,CTS6266,Z4145/Z4147,F1911/V2823,F2774,CTS5383,CTS10534,F847,F917,Y6691,P255/P325,CTS5151,CTS4686,F2678,CTS8148,CTS7301/M3716/PF2705,Z18049.2,V77,F2446,CTS3221,CTS10083,CTS1114 9,M216,F1217/V2015,F2434,F1288/V2200,CTS5813,F3703 total=40
    C1: F3393/Z1426 F3393/Z1426, CTS6773/CTS6773/M3987/M3987 total=2
    C1a: CTS9491, CTS3454, Z4056, CTS8809 total=4
    C1a2: V20 total=1

    The question now is to discover how and when that HG entered the Scottish population from which I descend.
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    Further, the "raw data" lists SNPs AM00847/AMM008/B65 and AM01921.2/S475.2/Z2983.2 so I am wondering how that relates to C-V20 when AM00847/AMM008/B65 is a marker for C-B65? I have found no information about AM01921.2/S475.2/Z2983.2 so any pointers may help me.
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    Y-haplogropu C is well represented in Australia among the indigenous population. That is "south of Asia". Recent discoveries have dated human occupation in northern Australia (at Kakadu) at at least 65,000 years BP. Some of the artifacts recovered date to 80,000 years. While no DNA tests were made, the possibility of Hap. C being in Australia 65,000 years ago is possible. Hap C is found across Oceania and also in the Americas. Those ancient Hap. C folk travelled far.

    I am also C-V20 (C1a2) and my paternal origins are from Scotland. So Hap. C folks must have been globe trotters.

    The ISOGG gives the SNP markers for C as M130/Page51/RPS4Y711, M216; my results tested positive for ...
    C:M130/Page51/RPS4Y711,CTS6203,CTS2377,CTS6378,Z4083,F3043,P260/P324,F3719,F3400,F2897/V3600,M130/Page51/RPS4Y711,Z4082,F2858/V3553,F2211,CTS6266,Z4145/Z4147,F1911/V2823,F2774,CTS5383,CTS10534,F847,F917,Y6691,P255/P325,CTS5151,CTS4686,F2678,CTS8148,CTS7301/M3716/PF2705,Z18049.2,V77,F2446,CTS3221,CTS10083,CTS1114 9,M216,F1217/V2015,F2434,F1288/V2200,CTS5813,F3703 total=40
    C1: F3393/Z1426 F3393/Z1426, CTS6773/CTS6773/M3987/M3987 total=2
    C1a: CTS9491, CTS3454, Z4056, CTS8809 total=4
    C1a2: V20 total=1

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    Until more data is available through more of the population being tested (living or ancient) speculation regarding Y-hg C is just that, speculation.
    However, we can see from what is available now that C and its subclades are spread across Asia, Oceania, and the Americas by Stone Age hunters, Siberian reindeer herders, Mongolian horse nomads, Polynesian Sea Farers, Inuits, Iroquois, and Indigenous Australians. Ancient C is also reported from far spaced locations in Europe. Those travelers covered a lot of ground!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wal View Post
    I am also C-V20 (C1a2) and my paternal origins are from Scotland. So Hap. C folks must have been globe trotters.
    YFull's C-V20 haplotree has entries from Armenia, Spain, Poland, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom. The Armenian split off from the others over 20,000 years ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    YFull's C-V20 haplotree has entries from Armenia, Spain, Poland, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom. The Armenian split off from the others over 20,000 years ago!
    This seems to be as good a time as any to bring up something that I have wondered about. Does the C-V20 individual in the Nepalese sample of Hallast et al. (2014) belong to the Armenian side or the European side of the split, or is it basal to both those branches?

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    Haplogroup C in Europe has been found in Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic samples; it looks like it is from the first modern humans entering Europe. In time, it was largely replaced by other haplogroups; today it is only found at very low levels in Europe.

    EDIT: How it then arrived in Scotland is a good question. If it was incorporated in new groups of people in the whole of Europe in the Neolithic, it could have arrived there anytime.
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    By the way, the Nepalese sample to which I have referred is nep-0172 from Pille Hallast, Chiara Batini, Daniel Zadik, et al., "The Y-Chromosome Tree Bursts into Leaf: 13,000 High-Confidence SNPs Covering the Majority of Known Clades," Molecular Biology and Evolution Advance Access publication December 2, 2014, doi:10.1093/molbev/msu327.

    Nep-0172 exhibits 135 SNPs downstream of his most recent common ancestor with JPT-NA18974, a Japanese individual who belongs to haplogroup C1a1-M8:

    A2774169G C6703314G A6777351G A6800465C A6837378T G6845955A G6866303A A6885593G G6912691A T6913217A T6936443C C6970036T T6972117C G7079141C C7135929T A7136339G C7142695G T7202366G G7218549A G7246670A A7284672T A7314655G G7333017A G13871066T C13993511A C14117114T T14152879A C14159782A A14173091G G14186365A G14246351A A14293833G C14329101T A14335672G C14613786T A14774142G T14810634C A14930515G G14952137A T14971682G C15516397T A15585188G G15764570A A15852360G G15935624A T15948413G C15949403T A16017823G A16031440G G16061218T T16198378C T16281599C C16284836T T16336719C G16417930A A16740138T T16758905A C16776874G C16787023T T16803391G A16818150T A16819759G G16869270C A16912050G C16922171T C16956320T T16968690G C17072248T G17151659C A17177899G C17350338T G17366710A T17421307G G17486528A G17527878A G17527904C G17577534A T17745332A G17790910T G17817864A G17853558T C17880509G A17892594C C17905059T T17939651C A17941579G G17957440A A17961975C T18023403A G18026975T A18071404G T18160365A C18181289G C18246830T A18551564G G18575701A G18584981A G18642035A G18683495A C18692792T G18789012C G18821446A T18937968C A18961035T C19054703T A19183145G G19220674C G19240900T T19358615C G19397234A A19452372G T19454839A C19490323T A19504462T A19566911G T21086251G G21114604A G21202795A C21326357T A21359031C A21387821C T22175097A T22575586C C22616875T G22724232C G22738930A G22832625A C23118493A A23197102G G23208174A T23209087A G23291476A G23479393T A23482918G C23495487A

    Lgmayka previously has noted that the MRCA of nep-0172 and extant European C1a2-V20 must have lived at some time deep in the Paleolithic era. My intuition is that this Nepalese individual's Y-DNA is probably basal to a branch that subsumes both Armenian C-V86*(xY10475) and European C-Y10475, but it would be nice if someone could confirm this.

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