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    FTDNA R1b Backkbone Test for U152

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    This should be good news for those that are unwilling to test outside of FTDNA---and need a lower price point than the Big Y. I am ecstatic to see that FGC22501 is included.

    Dear Group Administrators,



    Exciting news! If you haven’t already heard, we’re offering members of Y-haplogroup R1b the opportunity to purchase the beta release of our new R1b Backbone Panel for only $79!


    Starting today, Wednesday, July 29, we’re sending notices to customers who are eligible to get in on this great deal.



    We created this panel of carefully curated Y-DNA SNPs with the assistance of Mike Walsh, who is administrator of several R1b groups, including the gateway R1b and All Subclades Project.



    The 140-SNP panel includes R-M343, which is above the R-M269 SNP we use to designate the R1b branch, plus 139 downstream SNPs that come from a number of testing sources and which represent the upper portion of the R1b branch of the Y-DNA haplotree. Eighty of those 140 SNPs are being newly added to the FTDNA Y tree.



    Keep in mind that the R1b Backbone Panel is not meant to provide your project members with a terminal SNP. Rather, it’s designed to help identify the branch of the enormous R1b haplogroup to which those members belong, and will hopefully encourage further exploration of their ancestral origins. Even if your project member has done some preliminary SNP testing, this panel can be valuable since it includes SNPs not previously found on the tree.



    This special beta price of $79 is just $1 more than the cost of testing two individual SNPs! All they have to do to order is click on the banner ad on their myFTDNA dashboard.



    For those group administrators who do not routinely deal with Y-DNA SNPs and who have questions about the panel, please direct your questions to [email protected] and put “R1b Backbone Panel” on the subject line. We'll be happy to help.



    Here are the SNPs included in the R1b Backbone panel:


    SNPs Already on Tree


    A6454

    BY2896

    A1773

    A2150

    A274

    A4670

    A517

    BY2823

    BY2868

    BY575

    CTS10429

    CTS11567

    CTS11994

    CTS1751

    CTS3386

    CTS4466

    CTS4528

    CTS5330

    CTS5689

    CTS6937

    CTS7763

    DF103

    DF110

    DF13

    DF17

    DF19

    DF21

    DF41

    DF49

    DF63

    DF81

    DF83

    DF88

    DF90

    DF95

    DF99

    F2691

    F2863

    FGC10516

    FGC11134

    FGC13620

    FGC13780

    FGC20761

    FGC22501

    FGC396

    FGC5301

    FGC5336

    FGC5338

    FGC5344

    FGC5345

    FGC5351

    FGC5354

    FGC5356

    FGC5367

    FGC5373

    FGC5494

    FGC5798

    L1335

    L2

    L21

    L23

    L238

    L277

    L278

    L371

    L389

    L408

    L47

    L48

    L51

    L513

    L584

    L617

    L881

    M1994

    M222

    M269

    M335

    M343

    M73

    MC14

    P297

    P310

    P311

    P312

    PF3252

    PF331

    PF6610

    PF6658

    PF6714

    PF7562

    PF7589

    PF7600

    S1026

    S1051

    S11493

    S11601

    S12025

    S1567

    S16264

    S1688

    S18632

    S18827

    S6317

    S7721

    SRY2627

    U106

    U152

    V88

    Y5058

    Z156

    Z16500

    Z17

    Z17300

    Z18

    Z1862

    Z195

    Z198

    Z209

    Z2103

    Z2106

    Z2109

    Z225

    Z251

    Z253

    Z2542

    Z255

    Z2573

    Z262

    Z295

    Z296

    Z301

    Z302

    Z36

    Z367

    Z381

    Z49

    Z56

    Z8056

    Z9

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    U152 & Subclades SNPs available in R1b Backbone Test

    Here is table summarizing the U152 subclades in the $79 (current) test, unless I missed one, in the same order as the U152 & Subclades Group tree.

    Two SNPs were not publicly defined and may or may not be in U152, though they were listed next to a L2 SNP. They would be from a Big Y test where the SNP never got named. I requested SNP definition from FTDNA. My selfish hope is they are the two L2 unamed SNPs, then all of known L2 subclades would be covered.

    Interesting surprise was they included many of the currently equivalent SNPs for FGC5336 et cetera. found in one FTDNA sample which Rich matched with data from the Francalacci et al 2013 Sardinian study. Perhaps the thought is these may all be very old.

    One thing I do not know is whether there will be nocalls with this type of testing which I guess is different than individual SNP testing, whereas in the old Deep Clade they would keep Sanger testing until they got a reliable result.


    U152 & Subclades SNP R1b Backbone Test
    U152 On FTDNA Tree
    L2 On FTDNA Tree < U152
    Z49 On FTDNA Tree < L2
    Z367 On FTDNA Tree < L2
    DF103 New < L2
    FGC5336 New < L2
    FGC5338 New ~FGC5336
    FGC5344 New ~FGC5336
    FGC5345 New ~FGC5336
    FGC5351 New ~FGC5336
    FGC5354 New ~FGC5336
    FGC5356 New ~FGC5336
    FGC5367 New ~FGC5336
    FGC5373 New ~FGC5336
    PF7600 New ~FGC5336
    FGC10516 New < L2
    CTS5689 On FTDNA Tree < L2
    S1567 New < L2
    S18827 On FTDNA Tree < L2
    DF110 New < L2
    DF90 New < L2
    BY2823 New < L2
    7426675 etc. MISSING < L2
    FGC13620 New < L2
    L199 etc. MISSING [L408] < L2
    L408 New < L199 < L2
    FGC22501 New < L2
    6182427 etc. MISSING < L2
    A6454 New < L2
    FGC5301 New < L2
    Z36 On FTDNA Tree < U152
    Z56 On FTDNA Tree < U152
    PF6658 New < U152
    A517 New < U152
    PF6610 On FTDNA Tree < U152
    A1773 New < U152
    A274 New < U152
    23505791 MISSING < U152
    NOT PUBLICLY DEFINED (yet)
    BY2895 New ?
    BY2896 New ?
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    they work really bad

    Z56 On FTDNA Tree < U152
    this is false their tree for U152 totaly miss it and many other sub brench

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    Quote Originally Posted by abds View Post
    they work really bad

    Z56 On FTDNA Tree < U152
    this is false their tree for U152 totaly miss it and many other sub brench
    In the e-mail FTDNA sent out it said was Z56 was "already on tree" which may not mean the tree they make public. I did not compare it with FTDNA's current online tree which I basically ignore at this point. Point here is to compare what in test with what is known and unknown in their e-mail list.

    Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, this test is not really useful if someone has already tested positive for one these top level U152 or L2 SNPs.

    Of course current public FTDNA tree, last time I checked, has several other U152 & subclades SNPs that are not on this list or on the U152 & Subclades Group Tree, that presumably came from widespread GENO testing--but there is no supporting data on matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTC View Post
    The following quote is from Charles Moore, U106 Project administrator and ISOGG R1b-U106 and Subclades administrator:
    This is just a U152 & Subclades thread. It would be good to see similar comparisons for other clades in other places, so I will look for them elsewhere.

    Don't know if there any plans by FTDNA in work for U152 SNP pack testing. Don't know what it costs to put together this sort of "Pack" test which I read was different than that just running a bunch of Sanger tests at the same time. Look forward to seeing how efforts for U106 proceed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haleaton View Post
    This is just a U152 & Subclades thread
    Apologies, I meant to post in U106!

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    One thing we just found, and your results may vary, is that Big Y named SNPs in the FTDNA results page for SNPs on the R1b Backbone list seem to be updated if you are positive for that particular SNP. So for example it now shows I am positive for FGC5301 which was found in my FGC BGI test and named by them and the name, at that time, made public in YBrowse because I had it Sanger checked at YSEQ. Other FGC named SNPs at the same tree were not included, so perhaps this one was selected because of alphabetical order.

    It also says FGC5301 is on the FTDNA tree in Big Y. Also side thing is does report Z56 negative in named SNPs, but has it listed as on their Tree. So there is clearly the public tree and a tree that is referenced in Big Y or it is a typo in Big Y.

    EDIT: Also notice that in the pull Shared Novel Variants down menu on the Big Y matches page, by SNP FGC5301, now appears as the name rather than the location. So perhaps a user or admin (Rich) can check BY2895 & BY2896 for the samples that were used to define the numbered SNPs in the U152 & Subclades Group tree.
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    Hal,
    I would be really interested in the process they are using. I am going to check into that. If anyone knows please post.
    Kelly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwheaton View Post
    Hal,
    I would be really interested in the process they are using. I am going to check into that. If anyone knows please post.
    Kelly
    Kelly, you mean the process used to test SNP Packs? Such as equipment used and method? I would like to like to get a better idea on that. Also if the YSEQ panels are just several Sanger Sequence tests and how these are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haleaton View Post
    Kelly, you mean the process used to test SNP Packs? Such as equipment used and method? I would like to like to get a better idea on that. Also if the YSEQ panels are just several Sanger Sequence tests and how these are different.
    Precisely! I'll post here if I turn up a reply.

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