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    FTDNA Backbone R1b and implications for L2

    I posted all the SNPS over on the U152 forum and this is good news for expanding the L2 tree---however it is odd which SNPS downstream of L2 are included and which are left out. I am thrilled to see our WHEATON, TRIPP, KIDD, DOOTZ SNP FGC22501 included but I feel bad for some of he SNPS not included: ie L562, FGC22963, Z150 etc.

    I do think this may be a way to get some of the U152 members to do some further refining though.
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    For a Central-Eastern European who is L2+ Z49- Z367- (e.g., #133147 of the Czech Republic), the test looks not to be worth the money, because it does not include the ancient and mysterious S14469/FGC4183 clade.

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    Last edited by razyn; 07-29-2015 at 04:09 PM. Reason: Not relevant to U152

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    This backbone test is primarily for those that were previously M269 predicted. If someone is already known to be U152, then this is not the right test for them. A U152 specific backbone has been discussed, but nothing is in the works.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    This backbone test is primarily for those that were previously M269 predicted. If someone is already known to be U152, then this is not the right test for them. A U152 specific backbone has been discussed, but nothing is in the works.
    I think this is a good alternative for people who are known U152+ but are looking for their subclade immediately downstream of U152, from what I have seen it includes 7 subclades (L2, Z36, Z56, A274, A517, A1773 and PF6658), although the last one is a bit problematic.
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    I've put warning on the Ireland yDNA forum page (pinned) advising that test was more aimed towards those predicted as R-M269 and for anyone else considering it to contact the project admin's first. We've seen at least 15 orders so far, some of whom have already done SNP testing (including one M222 bundle individual!!!!) and at least one L2+

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    I myself would test at YSEQ and FGC but I cannot deny that the Big Y gave us our closest match to date and some may benefit from the R1b backbone---again it is a case of buyer beware.

    Its really random what was included and what wasn't---and FGC22501 which was included is 98% X so can't quite understand its inclusion----

    Does anyone know who is doing the Y research at FTDNA these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    This backbone test is primarily for those that were previously M269 predicted. If someone is already known to be U152, then this is not the right test for them. A U152 specific backbone has been discussed, but nothing is in the works.
    By the way, I should have been more specific in my post...if you only now you are U152+, then this may not be the best test for you. However, for someone who is just L2+, then this test is as as good a value as you are going to get. Of L2's known subclades, a whopping 14 of 18 are included:

    Z49, Z367, DF90, DF103, FGC5336, CTS5689, S1567, S18827, DF110, BY2823, FGC13620, FGC22501, A6454, FGC5301

    Of the four that are missing, two are testable (L199 & FGC10543) and the other two are somewhat new and do not yet have an SNP named assigned to them.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    By the way, I should have been more specific in my post...if you only now you are U152+, then this may not be the best test for you. However, for someone who is just L2+, then this test is as as good a value as you are going to get. Of L2's known subclades, a whopping 14 of 18 are included:

    Z49, Z367, DF90, DF103, FGC5336, CTS5689, S1567, S18827, DF110, BY2823, FGC13620, FGC22501, A6454, FGC5301

    Of the four that are missing, two are testable (L199 & FGC10543) and the other two are somewhat new and do not yet have an SNP named assigned to them.
    What is the best test in this price range then? This test is clearly aimed at people who were (or are) going to order individual SNPs. In an ideal world everyone will order a NGS-test but in my opinion this test has good value for money when you are U152+ and are trying to take small steps.

    This panel also has 4 subclades that could be of interest to the former U152*-group. As a former U152*, who participated in Big-Y, I am "patiently" waiting for new SNP matches and interested in seeing how the U152*-group will split up. The rare subclade I belong to is included on this panel and it is frustrating to see that this test is so easily dismissed, frankly it pissed me off, it would be a great way to clear out the everlasting and ever growing "U152>?" groups and also make some bigger steps along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    By the way, I should have been more specific in my post...if you only now you are U152+, then this may not be the best test for you. However, for someone who is just L2+, then this test is as as good a value as you are going to get. Of L2's known subclades, a whopping 14 of 18 are included:

    Z49, Z367, DF90, DF103, FGC5336, CTS5689, S1567, S18827, DF110, BY2823, FGC13620, FGC22501, A6454, FGC5301

    Of the four that are missing, two are testable (L199 & FGC10543) and the other two are somewhat new and do not yet have an SNP named assigned to them.
    The list I have says they do test FGC10516. Isn't this equivalent to FGC10543? Or are there some issues with it.

    [Edit: I think 14/18 is right by A6454 is on FTDNA list but may be typo here as YBrowse days is is under DF13]

    [Edit Also on list is L408 which is under L199.]
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