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    Celtic Tribes of the British Isles

    I am in the process of updating my online material on Celtic Tribes of the British Isles http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/celtictribes.shtml

    So I would be grateful for another pair of eyes to pick up my typos, point out exciting discoveries that I've missed and generally give it the usual Anthrongenica work-over.

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    Jean,
    These may not be corrections...just what stuck out for me. Looks very good!

    Here's one that may be grammaticly correct but I want it to read "have."
    and its subclades, which has
    Poured (American spelling perhpas pored is correct in the UK)
    appear.6 Clues to some of these changes are scattered around in place-names and pedigrees, coins and commentaries, itineraries and inscriptions. Memoirs, annals and legends have been pored
    Capitalize Ogham? (there are a couple of other times this appears.
    ogham inscriptions of the 5th and 6th centuries AD. Its spread into Scotland cannot be much earlier than this.13
    Kelly

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    Quote Originally Posted by J1 DYS388=13 View Post
    Regarding the etymology of the tribal name Dobunni, who lived in the area where you live, Stephen J. Yeates in A Dreaming for the Witches, Oxbow Books 2009, pp. 162-3, makes a plausible case that the name refers to the cauldron which was the symbol of the tribe's mother goddess. That would explain why the Saxons called the tribe the Hwicce (sacred vessel). Hwicce became witch in English, but of course the Dobunni were not witches.
    I have not read the book, but you can see some sceptical reviews here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tribe_of_Witches
    Della Hooke (author of The Anglo-Saxon landscape: the kingdom of the Hwicce) thinks this particular idea is fantasy.

    I go along with Patrizia de Bernardo Stempel, Linguistically Celtic ethnonyms: towards a classification, In Juan Luis Garcia Alonso (ed.), Celtic and Other Languages in Ancient Europe, pp. 101-118. Ediciones Universidad Salamanca 2008. She classes both Dobunni and Dumnonii as meaning "The Lowland People". I say that in the introduction, and should add that etymology to the specific tribal names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwheaton View Post
    Jean, These may not be corrections...just what stuck out for me. Looks very good!

    Thank you Kelly. Will fix the "has" by taking out "and subclades".

    Pour = to flow or cause to flow in a stream
    Pore = look at earnestly; be absorbed in studying.

    Capitalize Ogham?
    I have an urge to capitalise the word, but my dictionary and my editor say not.

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    Anybody want to tackle Celtic Tribes of Ireland? http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/cel...sireland.shtml

    I have shuffled some material over there from the introduction.

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    No mention of U152? Personally, I think the Iceni might've had sizeable R1b-U152 frequencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    No mention of U152?
    There is some cautious speculation on U152 in the book. I want to avoid too much duplication between book and online material. The latter should be supplementary. A full list of tribes from Ptolemy is the kind of thing to dip into for reference from time to time. It would be boring as a book, but it is handy to have ready when a particular tribe is mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    Anybody want to tackle Celtic Tribes of Ireland? http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/cel...sireland.shtml

    I have shuffled some material over there from the introduction.
    Interesting material...only one typo I see...first paragraph, 4th sentence...

    "Goldsmiths flourished in Bronze Age Ireland, leaving a wealth of jewellery and other art work."

    To my eye, it should be spelled "jewelry."

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