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    I've also seen, postulated years ago, that the Visigoths and Ostrogoths originated in Sweden.

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    Unfortunately, I do not currently have contact with my FTDNA, Y57 matches. Here are my Y-DNA37 Markers:
    14 24 16 10 11-14 12 12 10 14 11 31 15 9-10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12-15-15-16 11 12 19-22 15 15 18 18 35-41 14 11

    It is interesting to me that there is a Peruvian Y57. This may not be the correct forum, however, I am trying to figure out how I ended up with this YDNA and how it entered the Americas from the Iberian Peninsula. I experienced an NPE. My mother's only gene pool comes from the Founder lines of the Mexican State of Nuevo Leon. She descends from a ranching family with a very high amount of endogamy. Her Gedmatch Kit is A968855 and mine is A008648. Her last name is Chapa and our Chapa ancestor came to Nuevo Leon, from Genoa, Italy, in the mid 1600s. The family name was Schiapapria and they were merchants. We have a few hundred Sephardic and Ashkenazic matches (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Israel, Australia, England, Romania...) in both FTDNA and Gedmatch. I have been documenting matches and see "clusters" of matches on certain chromosome segments. There are also random, individual segments that we have one to one matches with. I phased the biological father's autosomal DNA in Gedmatch and the autosomal matches cross in to the Nuevo Leon matches/gene pool minimally. I am thinking that the YDNA ancestor entered the Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico territory as one of the first Portuguese Conquistadors. While my mother and I have matches in common (some chromosome segments are very long) from the Azores, Brazil, Columbia, Portugal and Puerto Rico, I clearly have matches (not in common with my mother), that are coming from the biological father that also originate in those countries. I recently had a Peruvian autosomal DNA match in FTDNA. Further, some of my Ashkenazic and Sephardic matches are only coming from the biological father (England and Australia are a common country of origin for these matches). It is also interesting, for example, that one of my Puerto Rican matches in common with my mother also matches the biological father (on a portion of a longer segment on Chromosome 9). The exact start and end point of this Puerto Rican match also matches several of my Ashkenazic matches. I could site many other examples. I have been looking at Portuguese merchant families that arrived in the New World in the 16th and 17th century and, again, feel that there could be a connection to the Y57 biological father's origins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperchapa View Post
    It is interesting to me that there is a Peruvian Y57.
    YFull places the Peruvian sample more specifically in R-Y52.

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    Thank you very much lgmayka. If I order the BigY, what might I expect to find? That is a big question, I understand. I am just wondering if the BigY would offer more insight(s) in to origins? I joined the R1A1 Project in 2015 and, from what understand, my R-Y57 ancestor entered the Iberian Peninsula before the Y57, Y52 split. Does that sound correct to anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperchapa View Post
    If I order the BigY, what might I expect to find?
    Here is FTDNA's FAQ on the Big Y test. The Big Y examines 10 million locations on the Y chromosome in search of both known and undiscovered SNPs. It can define a new branch on the haplotree, split a level, help estimate a branch's age, etc. So for example, if you share a SNP with one other participant (and no one else), YFull can define a new subclade for the two of you and estimate your TMRCA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Here is FTDNA's FAQ on the Big Y test. The Big Y examines 10 million locations on the Y chromosome in search of both known and undiscovered SNPs. It can define a new branch on the haplotree, split a level, help estimate a branch's age, etc. So for example, if you share a SNP with one other participant (and no one else), YFull can define a new subclade for the two of you and estimate your TMRCA.
    Which is exactly what just happened with me. Now have an Englishman & an Irishman to share a new subclade YP6291. Thanks lgmayka for assisting me in making this happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by copperchapa View Post
    I joined the R1A1 Project in 2015 and, from what understand, my R-Y57 ancestor entered the Iberian Peninsula before the Y57, Y52 split. Does that sound correct to anyone?
    This is almost certainly incorrect, as in such case we would have to assume that all those multiple Asian and Eastern European members of clade Y52 descend from an Iberian ancestor. It seems definitely most likely that your yet unnamed subclade under Y57 split from subclade Y52 somewhere in the East (either in Asia or in Eastern Europe), so your paternal ancestor entered Iberia long after that event.
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    I received my BigY results before the new year. FTDNA Kit number 447312. I have one match at each of the following SNPs R-Z2124, R-Z2122, R-Y57, R-Y52, R-BY32052. Shared variant is 291705. My match is from Brazil. Last name Pereira Da Silva. In his "about me" section, he states "Judeu Marrano". I sent an email to him requesting more information. I am trying to understand my results and any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

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    Thank you sgdavies. Fortunately, I am fluent in Spanish and am now improving my Portuguese. I am hoping that my match has knowledge and a paper trail of his YDNA lineage.

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