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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    MyHeritage is bad. I guess my run wasn't terrible compared to some others though: I personally get 66.8% Iberian, 8.5% Scandinavian, 8.4% NW euro, 8.4% NA, and the rest is some Italian, Jewish, and SSA. Still it's way too diverse. I uploaded it on YouTube and of course everyone is saying "wow a Portuguese with no Celtic? Viking instead?" I also uploaded another kit (when it was free of course) and got 72% Iberian, 12.3% Scandinavian, 6.6% north African, 4.2 % Jewish, and the rest was ssa, and Italian. Besides my results, ive seen many pt results from every area and the results are so inconsistently bad. I saw another faro result only get around 50% iberian, like how ive seen some results not even get any north African at all which was surprising.
    I am always puzzled by those who say "MyHeritage" is so bad, or the worst -- but especially those who also think that Ancestry is the best. This is definitely not my experience, so it at least doesn't appear that which is best and which is worst is the same for everyone. It might be just chance -- either that a company is right by luck, or that their reference panels or algorithm are simply a better fit for some people than for others.

    Personally, I'd still say that 23andMe is the best. At least it is for me, judging by my actual genealogy. By paper trail, my ancestry is 40.6% British & Irish (15.6% paternal, 25.0% maternal); 34.4% Palatine German (34.4% paternal, 0% maternal); 12.5% Menorcan Spanish (0% paternal, 12.5% maternal); 6.25% Alsatian (0% paternal, 6.25% maternal); 3.1% French (0% paternal, 3.1% maternal); 2.0% Indigenous American from North America (0% paternal, 2.0% maternal); and 1.2% Swiss (0% paternal, 1.2% maternal). If you add all the "German & French" components the total is just about 45%.

    Let's look at 23andMe's analysis first.

    Northwestern European 91.7%
    French & German 48.2%.
    Germany - Likely Match. Strongest evidence for: Hesse; North Rhine-Westphalia
    Switzerland - Likely match. Strongest evidence for: Grisons.
    British & Irish 36.3%.
    United Kingdom - Highly Likely Match.
    Ireland - Likely Match.
    Scandinavian 0.6%
    Finnish 0.4%
    Broadly Northwestern European 6.2%
    Southern European 6.0%
    Spanish & Portuguese 2.3%
    Greek & Balkan 1.2%
    Italian 1.1%
    Broadly Southern European 1.4%
    Broadly European 0.4%

    East Asian & Indigenous American 1.9%
    Indigenous American 1.9%


    For MyHeritage, I actually have four different analyses. Three are based on uploads; the fourth is based on MyHeritage's own test.

    Using Ancestry v1 upload

    Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 46.6%
    North & West European 34.1%
    Iberian 9.5%
    Italian 7.3%
    Native American 1.5%
    Mesoamerican & Andean 1.0%

    Family Tree DNA upload

    Irish, Scottish, & Welsh 51.0%
    North & West European 31.3%
    Iberian 8.3%
    Italian 7.7%
    Native American 1.7%

    23andMe v2-v3 upload

    Irish, Scottish, & Welsh 50.4%
    North & West European 26.7%
    Iberian 10.0%
    Italian 9.2%
    Finnish 1.4%
    Native American 1.6%
    Mesoamerican & Andean 0.7%

    MyHeritage file

    Irish, Scottish, & Welsh 51.6%
    North & West European 36.6%
    Iberian 6.5%
    Greek & South Italian 1.9%
    Mesoamerican & Andean 1.2%
    Native American 1.1%
    Central Asian 1.1%

    From Family Tree DNA (based on their test), I have

    Europe 99%
    Western Europe
    Central Europe 54%
    Ireland 21%
    England, Wales, & Scotland 4%
    Finland <2%
    Southern Europe
    Iberian Peninsula 15%
    Malta 3%
    European Jewish
    Ashkenazi Jewish <1%
    Middle East & North Africa
    Middle East
    Anatolia, Armenia, & Mesopotamia <1%
    Americas
    Amerindian - Central & South Mexico <1%

    I have two different analyses from LivingDNA.

    [Indent]Based on LivingDNA's own test

    Great Britain & Ireland 76.9%
    Europe (North & West) 16.4%
    Northwest Germanic 16.4%
    Europe (South) 6.7%
    East Iberian 6.7%

    Based on a 23andMe v2-v3 upload

    [indent]Great Britain & Ireland 45%
    Europe (North & West) 37.8%
    Northwest Germanic 37.8%
    Europe (South) 17.2%
    East Iberia 15%
    Sardinia 2.2%

    And, finally, Ancestry -- based on their v2 file.

    England & Northwestern Europe 75% (range: 64-98%)
    Scotland 20% (range: 6-27%)
    Indigenous Americas 2% (range: 0-2%)
    Central Asia - South 1% (range: 0-4%)
    Finland 1% (range: 0-1%)
    Portugal 1% (range: 0-4%)
    Spain <1% (range: 0-6%)

    Notice that Ancestry has managed to completely miss a component that represents well over 1/3 of my ancestry. Well, technically they didn't miss it. They've simply misrepresented it under their "England and Northwestern Europe" category. They are actually well aware that often this component does not originate in England, though they don't mind leaving their customers with the impression that it does.

    This allows them to avoid complaints from customers with mostly or entirely English ancestry that Ancestry is making them "too German" or too "continental European". The problem is, a lot of "English" ancestry is simply from the same place as the ancestry of a lot of people from the Low Countries, or part of France, Germany, or even Switzerland. It is not that the ancestry of the people living in these areas is actually from England!

    If you look at Ancestry's map for "England & Northwestern Europe", you'll see that "On average, people native to [the dark green portion of] the map have 25-50% England & Northwestern Europe ethnicity." They could have as easily -- and accurately -- named this component "Northwestern Europe & England" or simply "Northwestern Europe" (without mentioning England, even though a lot -- but by no means all -- of this component can be found in England.

    To a large extent, this is simply a repackaged version of the old "Europe West", though modified with the addition of a lot of "Great Britain" and the subtraction of a lot of "Germanic Europe".

    The reality for me is, I have more Palatine German ancestry than I do English ancestry, but this is definitely not the impression Ancestry is now trying to give me. Unfortunately, because they now put my "Germanic Europe" at 0%, they also show no range -- even though it's likely that the algorithm calculated one, but dismissed it because the final score was 0% -- it means that I cannot see any percentage for "Germanic Europe" for those of my matches who have elected to only show "in common" ancestries. This includes a number of my close relatives, such as a niece and a 1st cousin.

    I share 29% of my DNA with my niece, but I can only see 63% of her ancestry! This consists of 45% England & Northwestern Europe, 17% Scotland, and 1% Portugal. However, since my daughter has also tested, I can compare her to her cousin and see that my niece also has 13% Ireland (same as my daughter), 8% Wales (2% more than my daughter), 5% Germanic Europe (3% more than my daughter), 3% Norway (1% more than my daughter). My niece's 45% England & Northwestern Europe compares to my daughter's 67% and her 17% Scotland compares to my daughter's 8%. My niece does not have any score for Indigenous Americas - North, but my daughter has 1%.

    Interestingly, according to Ancestry both my daughter's 2% Germanic Europe and her 2% Norway came from the same parent who gave her her 1% Indigenous Americas. That would be me, even though according to Ancestry I have no Germanic Europe or Norway. My daughter's range for these regions is 0-23% and 0-4% respectively. I suspect her "true" Germanic Europe score should be closer to the top of this range than the bottom, since my actual German ancestry (not even including French, Alsatian, or Swiss ancestry) is well over 30%.

    Identifying a third of someone's ancestry as something else is not the mark of a company that's doing a good job. Maybe it's fine for some people. In fact, I'm sure it is. It's just that it's lousy for me, and in fact much worse than MyHeritage of any other company.

    EDIT:

    About the only good thing I can say about Ancestry's "ethnicity" analysis for me is that they got my "Indigenous Americas" right. But so did everyone else, except LivingDNA. FTDNA was a bit on the low side, but not too bad for a component that's only 2% to begin with.

    In addition, my Spanish is also back at Ancestry, so it's no longer "odd man out". However, <1% is actually pretty useless. The problem is, when comparing with matches who have made that "in common only" election, the only ancestries that Ancestry-the-company counts are those which are at least 1%. The fact that Ancestry shows my range as going up to 6% is irrelevant, since the score is only <1%. If they didn't misidentify a portion of my Spanish ancestry as Portuguese -- or if they correctly identified my daughter's 1% Portuguese as Spanish, which is what it is -- it would be better. At least I could see when matches who make the "in common only" election have Spanish.

    Unfortunately, I have several matches who share descent from one of my Spanish-born 2nd great grandfathers who have done this, and I have no way to tell how much Spanish they have by comparing them to my daughter -- since she has "Portuguese" instead.
    Last edited by geebee; 05-10-2022 at 08:32 AM. Reason: Additional comments
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

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    Last edited by geebee; 05-10-2022 at 08:34 AM. Reason: To correct a "reply" intended as an "edit"
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

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    Anybody else on Anthrogenica 100.0% Levantine according to 23andme? I challenge you!

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    mother's mtdna: U2e1a1
    mother's paternal grandmother's mtdna: U5b1b1
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    My father's results, he's paternally from Laconia and maternally from Izmir/Smyrna, Turkey:





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    Well hello there
    My results:
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    Quote Originally Posted by CordedAndAware View Post
    Well hello there
    My results:
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    odd that 23andMe did not break down your Eastern Euro. Or did they, and we are just not seeing it in your screen shot?

    They test for

    Belarus
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    Estonia
    Hungary
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Poland
    Russia
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    Ukraine


    Maybe you will get an update in the next few days.

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    My auntís, momís sister, results came in pretty good from what I know of tree Iím just surprised at the amount of regions she received.

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    They really didn't. I also got only 1 region for EE - Riga. And no regions for anything else. I'm from Latvia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanie View Post
    My aunt’s, mom’s sister, results came in pretty good from what I know of tree I’m just surprised at the amount of regions she received.

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    Since the regions are based on direct matches, I guess she is getting a lot through Immigrant communities in the United States.
    Its funny that because of that some fully regional Europeans don't get that much more than US testers.
    If they would have more European residents in their dara base, things would look different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanie View Post
    My aunt’s, mom’s sister, results came in pretty good from what I know of tree I’m just surprised at the amount of regions she received.

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    Does she have Roma ancestry?

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