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    after getting an inquiry the other day about our Whalen-Phelan dna surname project, I thought I would post jpgs of our results table and make a few general observations about our results
    -on the 4 screen shots of our projects, the list was cut off at the 52nd STR tested, but it goes on to a full 111 for those that got tested that far
    -my Co Admin Francis does a great job inputting the data and then seeing what, if any, grouping the test results belong to
    -we have STR results from a variety of companies such as FTdna, National Geographic Project (N), Ancestry.com (A), and SMFG

    We have a total of 84 men tested and belonging to the project
    We have a total of 16 distinct groupings, based on the STR values
    We have 8 groups that have more than 2 members belonging to them
    Our results are clearly Celtic/Irish based for our members

    ***depending on what software you use to look at the pics, you might need to save it to your computer and then open it max/full screen size, as some defaults will make it very small and hard to write letters
    ...full screen and you should have no problems reading it

    WhalenDNA1 scan0001.jpg
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    WhalenDNA4 scan0001.jpg

    the following are the different Haplo/SNP groupings we have, how many members belong and names/places if relevant and in decending order of size of grouping...

    R1b-L144...38 men...Whalen, Bracewell, Phalen, Fallen, Keenen Bracewell/Brazile, Prosser, Clark, MacLaughlin, MacAuley
    R1b general, non specific Atlantic Modal....10...Whelan, Whalen, Phalen
    R1b-Leinster/Irish Sea modal....5.....Whelan, Whalen
    R1b-L21 general, non specific....4....Whalin, Whalen
    R1b-L21-M222-NW Irish/Type 1 modal....4...Whelehan, Wheeler
    R1b-L21-M222-Nw Irish/Type 1 modal....3....Whelehan of Ullard, Laois
    R1b-L21-M222-NW Irish/Type 1 modal, general, non specific....Whalen, Phelan, Whelan
    R1b-L21-Z253-Irish/Cont. Type 4 modal...3....Whalen, Whelan, Phelan
    R1b-L21-L513...2+...Whealen, Vance....NPE re Whalen & many Vances...ultra rare 19 at dys456
    R1b-L21-Z253-L226...Irish Type lll modal...2...Whalen, Phelan
    R1b-L21-CTS4466...South Irish Type 2 modal....2....Whalon, Whelan
    R1B-L21-DF21..."Ely O'Carrol Clan Type"...2...Phelan, Whalen
    G-2-Phelan, Phalen
    J-2-Whalen, Phelan
    I-1-Hyland
    Q-1-Whelan

    FYI

    Mike
    Last edited by MikeWhalen; 05-13-2014 at 05:32 PM.
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

    Whalen/Phelan DNA Surname Project
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    Here is a further breakdown of our Projects groups, with some explanations of geography or other type connections by my Co admin Francis (Rivergirl)

    "Updated 26 April 2014


    PROJECT GROUPS

    Whalen - O'Faolain members are grouped by their Y-DNA Haplogroup, then by Haplogroup subgroup and/or clusters.

    R1b is the largest Y-DNA Haplogroup in the project, (and the major Y-DNA Haplogroup in Ireland ), we also have Haplogroups G, I2 and J present in small numbers.
    Men of different Y-DNA Haplogroups will have no likelihood of sharing a common ancestor in the last several thousand years (NPEs are of course a reality and may be a reason why your paper trail tells a different story.)

    R1b Haplogroups are subgrouped into known Genetic clusters where possible, and these will be updated as new results come in.
    See the R1b-L21 Phylogenetic Tree at the bottom of this page.




    Haplogroup G
    Kit# N8175
    Richard Phalen, b.c. 1800, Callan, Co Kilkenny Ireland

    Kit# 278127
    James Phelan bc 1766 , Mullinahone, Co. Tipperary, Ireland.



    Haplogroup I2
    Kit# 221140
    Thomas Hyland, b 1845, Ireland, died Dublin Ireland.




    Haplogroup J2
    Kit# N56036
    Thomas Whalen, b 1890, Ontario Canada.

    Kit# 71925
    James Phelan, b 1794, Grantstown, Co Laois Ireland.



    Haplogroup Q
    Kit# 267675
    Thomas Whelan, b 1871



    R1b Group 01 (R-L21>DF13>CTS1751>L144)
    We have one large group who appear to have a common lineage, and are mainly from Co Laois, Kilkenny, Waterford, Tipperary and Cork in Ireland.
    Most of these men are all "WAMH" Matches (Western Atlantic Model Haplotype), one of the four most common R1b haplotypes in Western Europe, so have many (~500) exact matches at 12 markers.

    At 37 markers all the men in this group match another in the group at 33/37 or better and continue matching well at 67 and 111 markers.
    The relationship between these men appears to be quite convoluted and it is very hard to group these men into smaller subgroups with a more recent common ancestry, especially as very few of these men have a paper trail to connect with.

    The group share a unique value for DYS markers 413a and 413b of 16/23, whilst most R1b men have results around 21/23, 22/23, or 23/23.
    So far all the men in "R1b Group 01" who have tested to 67 markers have values of 16/23, 16/16 or 16/17 and 16/22 on this marker, signifying a descent from a common ancestor.

    Six men in this group have tested positive for the R1b SNP L144.1. This SNP is downstream of the large R1b branch of L21. (See R1b-L21 Phylogenetic Tree at bottom of this page.)
    It is expected that all the men in this group would be positive for these SNPs. Other surnames tested positive for L144.1 are Bracewell/Brazile, Prosser, Clark, MacLaughlin, MacAuley, Keenan.

    Recent (Oct 2013) SNP testing has shown that L144 is downstream of CTS1751. So far 2 Whalens, 2 Brazilles and a Prosser have tested positive for CTS1751, and it is presumed all this cluster will be positive for CTS1751.

    Here is a Google Map with known UK place of origin for 413a=16 and/or L144,1 men; http://goo.gl/maps/2hYk


    Kit# A00006 Tested at Ancestry
    Phelan, Nenagh, Co Tipperary Ireland

    Kit# 132634
    James Whalen, bc 1750
    Edward Whalen Sr, bc 1801, marr Charlotte J Thomas
    John William Whalen, b 1848 IN, marr Mary Susan Maulding
    Roscoe Vern Whalen, b 1890 IN, marr Maude Butler

    Kit# 99672
    James Phelan, b 1828, Co Kilkenny Ireland, marr Bridget Mooney.
    Martin Phelan, b 1867, Cedar Lake, Scott Co. MN, marr Anna B Harps.

    Kit# N2349
    Andrew Whalen, b 1829, Dublin Ireland, marr Ann Riley
    James Riley Whalen, marr Hettie Wood
    Andrew Jefferson Whalen, b 1898, marr Katie Wells

    Kit# 98399
    John Phelan, b 1759, Durrow, Co Laois Ireland, marr Catherine Boe.
    James Phelan, b 1807, Durrow, Co Laois Ireland, marr Ellen Murphy.
    William Phelan, b 1845, Durrow, Co Laois Ireland, marr Sophia Alice Soloman.
    Name change on migration to England.
    Henry Robert Fielding, b 1885, England, marr Mary Hodgson.

    Kit# 225748
    Whalen, b 1928 New Jersey.

    Kit# 116314
    John Whalen, b abt 1790, possibly of Co Kilkenny Ireland, marr Mary Walsh.
    Patrick Whalen, b abt 1830, NS Canada, marr Bridget Hackett.
    John T. Whalen, b 1878, PE Canada, marr Catherine Hamill.

    Kit# N40925
    Solomon Whalen, b 1749 Ireland.
    Solomon Whalen Jr, Kentucky.
    Joseph Whalen
    Elza R Whalen

    Kit# N25286
    Solomon Whalen, b 1749 Ireland.
    Henry Whalen, b c1766 Harrison Co KY or c1760 Ireland, marr Nancy
    ?John William? Whalen, b 1805, marr Mary Montier
    Washington Wesley Whalen, b 1832, marr Rachel Carr
    Samuel Benjamin Whalen, b 1865/66 Harrison Co KY, marr Callie M F Maines
    John Wesley Whalen, b 1894 Falmouth, Pendleton Co KY, marr Cora Catherine Wall/Wahl

    Kit# 87323
    William Phelan, Co Kilkenny (possibly Holdensrath) Ireland, marr Margaret Butler
    Laurence Phelan, b 1835, Co Kilkenny Ireland, marr Julia Meaney
    William Phelan, b 1869, Ballarat, VIC Australia, marr Annie Keys

    Kit# 87011
    John Whalen, b Ireland, marr Mary Power
    Martin Whalen, b 1830, Co Waterford Ireland, marr Ellen Power
    Richard Whalen, b 1865, NY State, marr Alice Putney
    Francis Whalen, b 1899, NY State marr Verna Reuman

    Kit # 186745
    Patrick Phelan
    Joseph Phelan b Ballyraggett parish, Kilkenny marr Catherine Brennan
    John Phelan b 1790 Ballyraggett, Kilkenny married Mary Phelan
    Patrick Phelan b 1830, St Scholastique, Quebec Canada marr Sarah O'Brien
    Michael Phelan b 1859, St Columban, Quebec Canada marr Mary Funchion

    Kit# 136758 and SMGF
    Matthew Whalen, marr Mary Nolan
    Patrick Joseph Whalen, b 1870 Co Tipperary Ireland, marr Annie Heaphy

    Kit# 84389
    William Whalen, b 1857, Philadelphia PA, died Minneapolis MN.

    Kit# 55192 and SMGF
    John Phelan, b 1715, Co Laois Ireland.
    Thomas Phelan, b 1750-60, Ireland
    Michael Phelan, b 1785, nr Erill, Co Laois Ireland
    Martin Whelan, b bef 1830, Co Laois Ireland, marr Catherine
    Martin Whelan/Whalen, b 1839, Erill, Co Laois Ireland, marr Mary
    John Whalen, b 1872, Oakland Co MI, marr Emma

    Kit# 159645 and A00009
    Michael Whelan, b Ireland, possibly Co Waterford, marr Catherine Cody
    Michael J. Whelan, b ?Philadelphia-?Ireland about 1856, marr Mary Ellen Hackett in NYC
    Edward R. Whelan, b NYC 1885, marr Mary Ellen Reader in NYC

    Kit# 288752
    Charles Fallon/Fallin, bc 1646, d. 1701, Northumberland County, VA, marr Jane
    Charles (II) Fallin/Fallon, bc 1683, Northumberland County, VA, marr Hannah Harcum
    Charles (III) Fallin, b.1720, Northumberland County, VA, marr Sarah Hobson

    Kit# 211618
    Charles Fallon/Fallin, bc 1646, d. 1701, Northumberland County, VA, marr Jane
    Charles (II) Fallin/Fallon, bc 1683, Northumberland County, VA, marr Hannah Harcum
    Charles (III) Fallin, b.1720, Northumberland County, VA, marr Sarah Hobson
    William Fallin b 1749, Northumberland Co., VA, marr Sarah Eskridge
    Thomas Fallin, b 1771, Northumberland Co., VA, marr Polly (Mary) Haynie
    Samuel E Fallin, bc 1800, VA, marr Elizabeth Hendley
    Joseph Hendley Fallin, bc 1824, Richmond County, VA, marr Virginia Susan Rice
    Ira Stanely Fallin, b 1855, Lancaster Co. VA, marr Eliza Larrabee Ness
    Edgar Hamilton Fallin, b 1878, Baltimore MD, marr Anna Leola Holcombe

    Kit #320149
    Charles Fallin I b. 1646 - St. Stephens Parish Northumberland County, Virginia
    Charles Fallin II b. 1683 - Northumberland County, Virginia
    Charles Fallin III b. 1720 - Northumberland County, Virginia
    Charles Fallin IV b. 1740 - Northumberland County, Virginia
    Thomas Jack Fallin b. 1787 - Lunenburg County, Virginia
    Jackson Fallin b. 1815 - Wilkes County, Georgia
    Simeon Fallin b: 1856 - Upson County Georgia
    William Rufus Fallin b: 1893 - Lafayette, Alabama

    Kit# 238031
    Charles Fallin I b. 1646 - St. Stephens Parish Northumberland County, Virginia
    Charles Fallin II b. 1683 - Northumberland County, Virginia
    Charles Fallin III b. 1720 - Northumberland County, Virginia
    Charles Fallin IV b. 1740 - Northumberland County, Virginia
    Thomas Jack Fallin b. 1787 - Lunenburg County, Virginia
    Jackson Fallin b. 1815 - Wilkes County, Georgia
    William Crockett Fallin b. 1845 - Upson County, Georgia
    William Jackson Fallin b. 1867 - Fulton County, Georgia

    Kit# 100127
    William Whalen, possibly born Ireland
    Thomas Whalen, b 1868, East St Louis, Illinois

    Kit# 288432
    Martin Whalen, born 1829 (Kildare?) died 1880 Ohio

    Kit# N79988
    Patrick Whalen, bc 1795, County Cork, Ireland, marr Bridget Murphy
    John Whalen, b 1832, South March, Carleton County, Ontario, Canada, marr Mary Brennan
    Patrick Whalen, b 1860, South March, Carleton County, Ontario, Canada, marr Hannorah Kennedy

    Kit# 76690
    Whelan, bc 1840, Co Cork Ireland.

    Kit# 320464
    George Phelan, b 1927

    Kit# A00003 Tested at Ancestry
    Whelan - No information provided.

    Kit# 86333
    John Phalen, b 1826-1836, Ireland, possibly Co Waterford, marr Mary Murphy (1), Mary Welsh(2)
    Edward Joseph Phalen, b 1848, Ireland, possibly Co Waterford, marr Mary Dunn
    John Joseph Phalen, b 1879, Kingston NY, marr Elisabeth Cavanaugh

    Kit# 154312
    Thomas Phelan, 1726, marr Elizabeth Howard Day
    Thomas Phelan, b 1752, marr Mary Evans
    Thomas Wesley Phelan, b 1790 GA , d 1851 AR, marr Jemima Fowler, 1815 TN
    Jesse Phelan, b 1826, d MO, marr Lavenia Fanning, 1853 AR
    Joseph Martilius Phelan, b 1858 MO, d OK, marr Sarah Elizabeth Burns, 1883 AR
    Toy Jesse Thomas Phelan, b 1894 MO, d OK, marr Annie Mildren Cowden

    Kit# 109506 and A00002 (Tested at Ancestry.com)
    Thomas Phelan, b 1752, Uwchlan Township, Pennsylvania, died Arkansas.
    Thomas Phelan, b 1790, Georgia.
    Thomas Phelan, b 1828, Tennessee, died Arkansas.
    William Washington Phelan, b 1852, Arkansas.
    Oda Embris Phelan, b 1890, Fayetteville, Arkansas.

    Kit# 87322
    Nicholas Phalen, b 1828, Co Kilkenny Ireland, marr Margret Welsh
    Nicholas Charles Phalen, 1867, Mendota IL, marr Fedelia Wallace

    Kit# 83115
    Hugh Whalin, c1800, Co Laois Ireland.
    Patrick Whelan, c1825, Co Laois Ireland.
    Thomas Whelan, c1848, Co Laois Ireland.
    Michael Whelan, b 1879, Bathgate, WLN Scotland.

    Kit# 137617
    Michael Whelan b: c1780, Queens County, Ireland
    Andrew Arthur Whelan b: 1816, Co Tipperary, Ireland
    John Whalen b: 1853, Jamberoo, NSW, Australia
    Ralph Whalen b: 1872, Macleay River, NSW, Australia
    William Maurice Whalen b: 1898, Kempsey, NSW, Australia

    Kit# 99152
    Michael Phelan, b 1760, of Durrow, Co Laois Ireland.
    Daniel Phelan, b 1794, Ireland
    James Phelan, b 1822, Co Laois Ireland, marr Mary Gaynor
    Samuel Phelan, b 1857, NYC, New York, marr Catherine Mayer
    James Joseph Phelan, b 1882, NYC, New York, marr Anna Mulqueen

    Kit# 128412
    J Whalen, born Ireland died Pennsylvania. Emigrated 1848-1850
    J J Whalen, born Ireland died Pennsylvania.
    J M Whalen, born 1874 Pennslyvania.

    Kit# 107097
    James Whalan, b abt 1794 Ireland
    James Patrick Whalan, b 1821, Co Queens/Laois Ireland.

    Kit# N96953
    Anthony Phelan, bc 1809-10, County Wexford, Ireland.
    Charles Anthony Phelan, b 1852, St. Croix, Virgin Islands.
    Charles Henry Phelan, bc 1881, Brooklyn, New York.


    R1b Group 01a (R-L21>DF13>CTS1751>L144) Irish Type matches
    These men match well with the above group and are linked genetically. They are from the same region as our Whalen/Whelan/Phelans. The connection is possibly from before the common adoption of surnames in Ireland or from a change of family name at some stage.

    Kit# 269951
    William Moore, b 1818, Co Offaly (Kings) Ireland

    Kit# B3096
    Thomas Keenan, bc 1790, Culahill, Co Laois, Ireland

    Kit# 182076
    John Barton bc 1884, of Carrick on Suir, Co Tipperary Ireland




    R1b Group 02 (R-L21,>DF13>L513)
    This group has a 64/67 match with Kits 53712, Patrick Whalen b 1816 Co Tipperary and 109320, Vance.
    The Whalen and Vance families are undoubtedly connected by an NPE that probably occurred between 1650 and 1750 in Ireland according to MRCA calculations (90% probability of 12 generations @ 25yrs per generation). An extremely rare but shared value of 19 at dys456 along with matches from 65/67 to 63/67 with several distinct Vance families prove the intimate relationship. No known connection has been found with confirmed paper and pen genealogy going back to the early 1800's.
    We hope to find more Whalen family's for this group.

    They R1b L513, a downstream subgroup of R1b L21, they have distinctive results of 11 for 406S1 and 13 for 617.

    Kit# 53712 and SMGF
    Patrick Whealen, b 1816, Co Tipperary Ireland, marr Deborah Collins
    William Whalen, b 1858, Kincardine, Ontario CAN, marr Mary Ann Robinson
    William Laurence Whalen, b 1884, Kincardine, Ontario CAN, marr Alice Gertrude Holly

    Kit# 109320
    Vance, Ireland,




    R1b Group 03 (R-L21>DF13 - 390=21, 459a/b=9/9)
    We have four men in this group. We can see that they share some distinctive unusual values in DYS 390 = 21 and YCA II a/b = 22/23 .
    These men also share the distinctive values with men of other surnames, the main ones being Fitzpatricks from Co Laois/Kilkenny, Brennan/Brannons, Brodericks and Dalton .
    This indicates a more ancient relationship between these families, possibly up to a 1000 years ago. These surnames are associated with the ancient Ossory/Ossraighe region

    Kit# 159345
    Patrick Whalin, b 1738 Ireland, marr, Susannah Leach
    Valentine Whalin, b abt 1780 Montgomery VA, marr Barbara Penner
    William Patrick Whalin, b 1804 Montgomery VA, marr Lucinda P Goodman
    William Goodman Whalin, b 1839 Warren KY, marr Lucrecia Frances Doolin
    Thomas J Whalin, b 1865 Edmonson KY, marr Otilla Adeline Ray

    Kit# 294561
    Patrick Whalin - b. 1738 Ireland - Revolutionary War soldier - m. 777 - died 1831 Warren Co, KY
    Valentine Whalin - b. Fauquier Co, VA
    Christian Whalin - b. Montgomery Co, VA
    William Hartford Whalin - b. Butler Co, KY
    John Milton Whalin - b. Edmonson Co, KY

    Kit# 169898
    Charles Whalen, bc 1835 Indiana, marr Susan
    William Thomas Whalen, b 1867 Illinois, marr Ellen Nichols

    Kit# 114211
    Thomas Daniel Whalen, Trenton New Jersey, marr Irene Bomberry/Bumberra





    R1b Group 04 (L21>DF13>DF49>M222 - Northwest Irish Type I)
    This group comprises three men all tracing back to a common ancestor, Michael Whelehan, bc 1795 in Ullard, Co Laois, Ireland.
    They are part of the R1b North West Irish Type I Cluster.

    Kit# 164953
    Michael Whelehan, bc 1795 Ireland, marr Mary Dunne
    Bernard "Barney" Whelehan, bc 1819 Ullard, Co Laois Ireland, marr Ellen Broughill
    Christopher Wheelehan, b 1858
    Bernard Wheelehan, b 1895

    Kit# 158362
    Michael Whelehan, bc 1795 Ireland, marr Mary Dunne
    Bernard "Barney" Whelehan, bc 1819 Ullard, Co Laois Ireland, marr Ellen Broughill
    Michael Whelehan, b 1848 Ullard, Co Laois Ireland, marr Catherine Slevin
    Bernard Whelehan, b 1894 Co Laois Ireland, marr Margaret Dunne

    Kit# 139965
    Michael Whelehan, bc 1795 Ireland, marr Mary Dunne
    Michael Wheelahan, b 1822 Ullard, Co Laois Ireland, marr Mary Ann Clarke
    Edmund John Wheelahan, b 1864 New Orleans LA, marr Avonia Elizabeth Troyer
    Keith John Wheelahan, b 1898 New Orelans LA




    R1b Group 05 (L21>DF13>DF49>M222 - Northwest Irish Type I)
    This group has 5 members, all Whelehans. They are most probably related to the Whelehans in R1b Group 04, but further back in time

    Kit# 209010
    Michael Whelehan, b 1760, Derrymore Kilucan, Co Westmeath Ireland
    John Whelehan, b 1802, Derrymore Kilucan, Co Westmeath Ireland
    Matthew Whelehan, b 1841, Derrymore Kilucan, Co Westmeath Ireland
    Patrick Whelehan, b 1898, Derrymore Kilucan, Co Westmeath Ireland

    Kit# 229832
    Thomas Whelehan, b 1886, Derrymore, Co Westmeath, Ireland

    Kit# 193057
    Whelehan, Co Westmeath Ireland.

    Kit# 190446
    Cornelius Wheelahan, Nenagh, Co Tipperary, Ireland, marr Mary Henan
    Denis Wheelahan, b 1835, marr Bridget O'Grady
    Cornelius Wheelahan, b 1866, marr Annie Leicht

    Kit# N99789
    Bernard Wheeler/Wheelehan, b abt 1790, Gainstown, Co Westmeath Ireland






    R1b Group 06 (R-L21>DF13>Z253 - Irish and Continental/Type IV)
    We will need 93207 to test more markers, to see if this match continues or not.
    These men appear to be in a R1b cluster, the Irish/Continental Type IV, which has the distinctive marker values of; 391 = 10, 385a = 12, 385b = 15, 426 = 13.
    The cluster is associated with the SNP Z253.

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    Kit# A00008 Tested at Ancestry
    Robert Whalen, b 1826, Ireland, marr Ellen McGraw.
    John William Whalen, b 1862, Ohio, marr Mary V O'Hara.
    Raymond John Whalen, b 1896, Cleveland Ohio, marr Edythe M Rousseau.

    Kit# 264003
    Whelan - No Information provided.


    Kit# 93207
    Phelan - No information provided.






    R1b Group 07 (R-L21>DF13>Z255>L159.2, - Leinster/Irish Sea Type)
    This group comprise men who match a R1b "cluster" associated with several historical Irish Clan names such as O’Byrne (Lagin Chieftans), Beatty, McLaughlin (a Kings of Meath sept)- a fairly small cluster or modal
    Other than 15c 15c 17g 17g at 464x, other distinctive markers are;
    14, 13, 30 at 389i, 392, 389ii,
    18 at 448,
    11 at 442
    CDY a and b have high values.

    More information on the "Leinster Type" can be seen at the 464x Project and the R1b-L159.2 project

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...2/default.aspx

    Kit# 105824
    Augustin Whelan, b 1852, Co Limerick Ireland.

    Kit# 141733
    Thomas Whalen, b Ireland
    Moses/Aden Whalen b 1827/29 Co Wexford Ireland.
    James Whalen, b 1851/54 b St Louis MO.
    Thomas Whalen, b 1894 Nehama County Nebraska.

    Kit# A00001 Tested at Ancestry
    John Whalen marr Mary Sullivan
    James H Whalen, b 1849 Dungarven, Co Waterford Ireland, marr Mary Ann Dempsey.

    Kit# 85957
    Peter Whelan, b c1865, Enniscorty, Co Wexford Ireland, marr Catherine Cahill.
    Joseph Whelan, b 1891 Dublin Ireland, marr Josephine Kenny.

    SMGF01 Tested at SMGF
    Edward Whalan, b Ireland, marr Mary Hannah Dodge
    John Edward Whalan, b 1880 Hodgenville, Larue, Kentucky, marr Elizabeth Lavada Donaldson





    R1b Group 08 (R-L21>DF13>DF21)
    2 members who are DF21 though not closely related to each other.
    You can find out more about DF21 at this website http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-DF21/default.aspx

    212914 is DF21 and in the subgroup L1402.

    Kit# 212914
    Patrick Phelan, early 1800's, of Queen's County (Laois) Ireland
    Daniel Phelan, b abt 1832, Queen's County (Laois) Ireland.
    Patrick Joseph Phelan, b 1891, Queen's County (Laois) Ireland .


    N45462, is part of the "Ely O'Carroll" Type within DF21
    You can find out more about this cluster from the website;
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...l/default.aspx

    Kit# N54562
    Patrick Whalen, b 1838, Ireland, marr Bridget Tobin.
    Michael Whalen, b 1859, Ireland, marr Margaret L Finnerty.
    Thomas Henry Whalen, b 1884, Frankfort New York, marr Anna Isabel Roach.




    R1b Group 09 (R-L21>DF13>DF49>M222, - NW Irish/Type I) Various
    This group comprises men who match a R1b "cluster" associated with NW Ireland and Lowland Scotland. It is often associated with "Niall of the Nine Hostages".
    We have one man who is a "Niall" match.
    More information on this can be found at; www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c7/

    Kit# N47168
    William F Whalen, b 1888 Scranton, PA

    Kit# A00010 Tested at Ancestry
    Thomas Whelan, b 1832 Co Limerick Ireland, marr Catherine Boyle
    Michael J Whelan, b 1869 Ottumwa Iowa, marr Margaret Reardon

    Kit# N16485
    Phelan, Co Waterford Ireland




    R1b Group 10 (R-L21>DF13>Z253>L226 - Irish/Type III - Dalcassian)
    This group comprise men who match a R1b "cluster" associated with Co Clare, Limerick and Tipperary and Dalcassian surnames.
    More information on this cluster can be found at; irishtype3dna.org/
    This cluster is associated witht he SNP L226, which is downstream of Z253.

    Kit# N20308
    Whalen - No information provided.

    Kit# 310239
    William James Phelan, b1848, possibly Co Limerick or Cork.





    R1b Group 11 (R-L21>DF13>CTS4466 - South Irish/Type II)
    This group comprises men who match a R1b "cluster" associated with Southern Ireland and has one member, A00005.
    More information can be seen at; mysite.verizon.net/timdesmond/files/dna_southirish.htm

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L21SouthIrish/
    It is associated with the SNP CTS4466


    Kit# A00005 Tested at Ancestry
    James Whalon, b Ireland
    Thomas Whalon, b 1850 NY, m Catherine Quinn.
    Henry John Whalon, b 1873 Louis Co. NY, m Olive Anna Edwards.
    Robert Emmit Whalon, b 1903 Volney NY, m Bessie Edith Osborn.

    Kit# 295333
    John Patrick Whelan b 1829 Co Clare Ireland





    R1b - various
    11 men waiting on matches. We have not found a group or cluster for these men as yet.

    Kit# 83614
    Nicholas Whelan, born bet 1785-1805, Ireland, marr Margaret Power
    John Whelan, b 1830, Ireland, marr Mary Hall
    Michael Henry Whelan, b 1860, North Bergen, Hudson Co, NJ, marr Eliza Fruin

    Kit# N40840
    Whalen - No information provided.

    Kit# N73937
    Whelan - No information provided.

    Kit# A00011 Tested at Ancestry
    Whalen, b abt 1828, Ireland or Alabama.
    William Whalen, b 1855, Missouri, marr Martha Coleman
    Robert Coleman Whalen, b 1883, Arkansas.

    Kit# N99127
    Whelan - No information provided

    Kit# 150256
    John Whalen, b abt 1830, Ireland, marr Mary (Maria) Welsh
    Dennis Whalen, b 1855, Ireland, marr Bridget Gleason
    John Edward Whalen, b 1885, Auburn New York, marr Louise (Freda) Lees Ulrich

    Kit# A00007 Tested at Ancestry
    Daniel A Whalen, bc 1857 NY

    Kit# A00004 Tested at Ancestry
    James Patrick Phelan, b 1865 Slade, Parish Callan Co Kilkenny Ireland.

    Kit# 50681
    Whalen - No information provided.

    Kit# N2326
    Patrick Phelan, c1850s, Kill, Co Waterford Ireland

    Kit# 295333
    Michal (Michael) Whelan, b Ireland
    John Patrick Whelan (Whalen), b 1829, Co. Clare, Ireland, marr Julia Shaughnessy.
    Charles W. Whalen, b 1866, St. Joseph, MO, USA, m. Rose McKenna
    John Raymond Whalen Sr, b 1896, St. Joseph, MO, USA, marr Icea N. Duncan"


    FYI

    Mike
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    Hello Mike and thank you for your quick reply! My father passed away, but I have a brother and four nephews residing in Ohio. The crest or coat of arms, that I found was the Muster, I guess I discharged the Dublin Crest due to the spelling, but I need to learn more! I seem to recall that my fathers father has some German back ground.I guess I just need to do more digging! Well let the journey begin!

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    whalan from australia reporting in mike i may have a fair whack of information if its at all useful regarding whalans in australia. (we actually have a very significant history here and have been here since the mid 1800's)
    would be interested in doing a dan test although i have no idea on this haplogroup business etc. if you could pm me regarding it id be happy to do whatever i can to help this project. thanks!

    zach.

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    I have been asked about the various tests several times by folks, but I just realized that at thier request, I have always given the answer in a PM
    For those Whalen/Phelans that are interested in the surname project and are new to dna testing, I am going to copy some of my response to Zach here as the info is non specific and others might benifit...

    Hi 'X'
    there are 2 kinds of dna tests that you can get, each focuses on a different sort of thing

    -for genealogical purposes, to connect/find with genuine blood related people, the Y STR tests are best. They test a number of dna markers that are useful for this sort of thing, we recommend getting at least 67 STR's tested. We also recommend FTdna for the testing as it has the largest data base by far to compare your results to. https://www.familytreedna.com/ right now, its 268 bucks, if you order it through the project, you get a small discount There are other companies that do this test, but I am not very familiar with them
    -All the 88 men in the project have an STR test and once we got your results, we would be able to tell if your male dna line fit in any of our 16 groups. Close matches would prove a genuine level of kinship that was probably as recent as the last 200-300 yrs, even if you had no pen and paper trail-for several of our project members, this has been invaluable and has literally gotten them through their 'pen and paper stonewall'

    The other kind of test is an SNP test (up to 3 types of snp, Y-father, Mtdna-mother and autosomal-all ancestors)and recently, new technology has rapidly led to a huge (but 'cutting edge' confusing) number of y line SNP's. Its the SNPs that define the specific haplogroups and points to kinship and 'tribal' origins and/or migration routes that are thousands of years old. There are several companies out there that offer these tests, some quite expensive but they have huge number to SNPs tested-from several hundred thousand snps to a couple of million.
    I like the test National Geographic does on this, its a couple of hundred $, and gives you y line, mtdna and autosomal dna results and adds to NG's big project. There are other good ones but you would have to search around for info on them as I am not that familiar with them

    I and my co admin Francis (who has had her brother donate the dna for testing) have had both kinds of testing over the years, as each type gives fascinating info...but for the Whalen/Phelan project, you would need to get the Y STR tests
    -Francis is more familiar with the discount process, so talking to her would be a good idea

    anyway, hope this helps, hope you decide to get tested...I am still looking for a whalen match, sometimes its immediate results, some times its a loooong wait for some long lost cousin to choose to get tested and get put in the data base

    Best wishes....Mike
    Last edited by MikeWhalen; 06-10-2014 at 03:21 PM.
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    WooWooo

    Thanks Admins and Mods!

    The Whalen/Phelan DNA Surname Project sub forum lives

    our own little home away from home...a place for history, dna questions, project news and any other dang thing you think might be of interest to us Whalen/Phalen/Wheelen/Wheelahan and various assorted other surnames!

    best wishes all

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    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    This is the first bit of land my Whealens owned in Canada as far as I can prove. It was in the newly opened up Bruce County in western Ontario and my family and its kin moved there from the Ottawa area, some 700K, through mostly bush. It was a 50+ person oxen wagon train in 1853, with few roads and according to a contemporary letter I have, "lost 1 female, to animals or Indians".

    The map is an 1880's survay map I found from one of the Canadian on line Universities and the plots of land are identified in various gov document I have-The Collins were key relatives, his father in law, ect.

    My Patrick Whealen started off poor, and ended up with 2 100 acre farms and 13 kids

    bru-m-kincardine2007abc.jpg
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    While doing a family history, you run into all sorts of odd but cool things...while researching the origins of the name Whalen, I first found reference to the myths surrounding its origins.
    'Faolain' ('son of the wolf' or 'littlewolf'), stems from 'Fiacha Suidhe', the brother of High King 'Conn of the hundred battles', circa 200AD
    -The experts say that that is the period when the myths are starting to actually reflect somewhat accurate history in the ancient Irish Saga's.
    What is not of doubt is the Faolain were kings and chieftains of the powerful Desi tribe and there are several historical strongholds for them over the centuries

    One of the earliest was 'Dun Faolain', which was mentioned in the histories, and after some 'fine tooth combing', I ended up finding the damn thing, right in the middle of an elite golf course of all things!
    I managed to make a jpeg out of the golf courses on line brochur, and here it is, with my note on the top

    Of course there is zero connection between the Fort and my actual family line, but I got a kick out of the Dun Faolain archiological ruins, quite well preserved, over looking the 16th hole on this prized golf course!

    golf course whalenfort.jpg

    Mike
    Last edited by MikeWhalen; 10-30-2014 at 07:40 PM.
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    I dont think I have posted this before, if I have appologies

    anyway, I ran across a post I did on FB a few years ago and thought some might like it...I was bored one day and did my own little meme regarding my historical Faolain ancestors in Munster Province almost a thousand years ago...apparently, a true story that I could not resist...

    "more of a lark than anything, but a Faolain (Whalen/Phelan) researcher found documents denoting a rather nasty fight between the Pope in Rome and local Irish churchmen around 1212 AD-evidently my namesakes in southern Ireland sided with the Irish and assassinated the problem Roman Biship-they got denounced by the Pope as evil 'Satan's Satellites'...

    Faolain evil irish.jpg

    Mike
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    My Wheeldon looks similar to your Whelan. In my case, the origin is mysterious. But it looks like it was in place in the Wilmington, Delaware area since early colonial times. Although it could be Quaker or other non-conformist, that line joined to colonial Swedes before moving west to Indiana via Kentucky. Whealdon is a possible precursor. And I saw a Wheldon in Maryland, I think it was, that could be related. But I haven't tried to keep track of all that.
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