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    Hi Mike,

    I found your discussion of three separate Whalen/Phelan groups as quite helpful. I can trace my paternal lineage to my gr-gr-gr-grandfather Thomas Phelan, who emigrated from Ireland to Bermuda about 1788. Our family tradition was that we had come from North Ireland (Ulster). Through Y-DNA testing with Family Tree DNA to better understand my ancestry, I discovered myself unique as R-BY471 from the other Whalens/Phelans, and have been included in the R-M222 and subclades research, possibly representing an ancient connection through a chieftain with the Doherty clan of Ulster. There are a small group of families named Phelim in Ulster that could also represent the same line. While of course my genetic history may demonstrate adoption or name change, it appears probable that our family represents the third group of Whalen/Phelan ancestors you mention above. I would appreciate permission to share some excerpts of what you have posted about this third Ulster group in my FTDNA discussions. Thank you.

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    Hi Tom, welcome to the forum and the great game of dna genealogy!

    I am glad you found some of my tidbits useful and you can use what you like...just note that none of the info is original scholarship on my part, just a collection of data I found while roaming the net

    anyway, good luck, nice hearing from you and keep us up to date with any useful tidbit of your own

    best regards

    Mike
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

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    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
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    Thank you Mike,

    When designated as a "Niall of the Nine Hostages" descendant by FTDNA, it proved unusual. I am not aware of any other Whalens/Phelans so designated. are you aware of any?

    Thanks again for your help.

    Tom Phelan

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    Hey Tom
    just time for a quick note
    Have you checked out the whalen/phalen page at family tree dna?

    we have a bunch of M222 guys, in several distinct groups

    Francis has you in one called r-8 with another guy...his terminal is different from you but I guess you have a similar signature...258368 is his kit number and R-A260 was his terminal

    I dont know much about those new terminals or what their relationship is, but if you have not checked it out, it might be of interest

    Mike
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Phelan View Post
    Thank you Mike,

    When designated as a "Niall of the Nine Hostages" descendant by FTDNA, it proved unusual. I am not aware of any other Whalens/Phelans so designated. are you aware of any?

    Thanks again for your help.

    Tom Phelan
    Hi Tom,
    We have 14 men who have the 'Niall' badge on their FTDNA pages.
    We have 17 men in the project predicted to be M222 and only 2 confirmed by SNP testing.
    If more men tested you might find another BY471.
    Unfortunately only the Whelehan groups have matches within the project so far.

    See the yDNA Results page;
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

    The O'Faolian Clan has men from nearly all the major Irish haplogroups associated with the South of Ireland aswell as the M222 group.
    We will be very interested if you find a link to the Phelim of Ulstrt.
    Last edited by rivergirl; 06-25-2016 at 04:53 AM.

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    Hi Rivergirl (Fr?),

    Thank you for the FTDNA statistics, especially the 14 "Niall" men, as that may indicate some relationship. So far in all my matches I have only had one other Phelan noted, and that at the lowest level, probably because that was all he tested for. Having traced my paternal line back to the 1700's, I was quite a student of O'Faolain history (including visiting Ireland) prior to my DNA testing, so it came as a real shock to find myself an exception to the group at large. That taken in stride, though, my mission is now to understand what appears to be an Ulster Phelan heritage. As stated above, Kit 258368 is the only other M222 in the Project of whom I was aware, and R-A260 is some genetic distance from BY471. Hopefully some of those at M269 will test out for M222 inclusion. At this time the FTDNA R-M222 & Subclades Project and the Doherty Project appear the most fruitful platforms for BY471 research. One must be patient, though.

    Thanks again,

    Tom Phelan

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    So my maternal great-great grandmother's last name is Whelan, I didn't realize there were many other people out there with this last name!

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    Hi Pachreik
    I guess its all about where you live, in my neck of the woods, there are several other Whalen's (but spelled differently) and not one is even remotely related to my line...so I grew up thinking that Whelan was a fairly common Irish name

    Once I started doing genealogical research, I was surprised to find out that Whalen and all its variations (Whelan, Whealen, Phalen, Wheelehan ect.), is the 49th most common Irish surname-so many long lost cousins

    Mike
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    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
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    well, I got some nice news today from work and thought I would share it with my friends here on Anthrogenica...not sure I should and even less sure what sub forum would be appropriate, so I picked this one for obvious reasons.

    As some know, I am a sworn Peace Officer working for the Ontario Ministry of Public Safety and Corrections...I have worked in Corrections for 27 yrs.

    Today I got told I was being awarded the Corrections Exemplary Service Medal

    -this is a Federal Gov. medal issued through our Governor General's Office.
    "It is, within the Canadian system of honors, the second highest of the exemplary service medals."

    Not too many get this, so I guess there are some advantages to being an old war horse that survived all the battles over the years.

    Anyway, the ceremony does not happen till late Nov. and as its out of town, I might not be able to go
    here are a couple of links

    https://www.gg.ca/document.aspx?id=16059&lan=eng

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correc..._Service_Medal

    I think I shall pull out my best Irish Whiskey I've got hidden away to celebrate

    Mike
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    Congratulations Mike.

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