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    [Split] Origins of the Afghan Qizilbash

    For my fellow Turks. What were the Qizilbash or Kizilbas tribe mainly made up of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barnacle View Post
    For my fellow Turks. What were the Qizilbash or Kizilbas tribe mainly made up of?
    They were a federation of tribes. Just like many other Turkoman movements in Iran, Caucasus & Anatolia.
    Last edited by Ashina; 05-18-2015 at 01:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashina View Post
    They were a federation of tribes. Just like many other Turkoman movements in Iran, Caucasus & Anatolia.
    What can you tell me about the Qizilbash that arrived in afghsnistsn? My grandmother was one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barnacle View Post
    What can you tell me about the Qizilbash that arrived in afghsnistsn? My grandmother was one.
    http://www.everyculture.com/Africa-M...Qizilbash.html

    I don't know much about the Qizilbash in Afghanistan. But ^this link provides some info.
    Last edited by Ashina; 05-18-2015 at 01:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashina View Post
    Many Turkoman tribes were relocated from Northwestern Iran to Khorasan to protect the borders. I don't know the exact date or time but my family was one of them.

    They also had non-Turkic tribes among them btw. I would start reading some Wikipedia pages if I were you.
    Mainly in the 1500s and 1600s. Kurdish and Azeri tribes were deployed in the North East to protect the region from Uzbek raids, Some Azeri and possibly Kurdish tribes were given lands in the south 1-because of their loyalty to Shah Ismail 2- To defend the region from Portuguese and Spanish incursions.

    Yes, they were mixed. Some Qizilbash were of Anatolian, Iraqi and Levantine Turkmen origin.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=qc...ersian&f=false

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    Yeah I edited my post since I wasn't sure.

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    Most Qizilbash in Afghanistan now are Persian speakers, There was a lot of Persian Qizilbash groups in Afghanistan. Some Qizilbash mixed with Hazaras to form alliances and because of common sect. From what I've heard, Qizilbash don't identify as Tajik.

    Here is an Afshar singer from Afghanistan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    Mainly in the 1500s and 1600s. Kurdish and Azeri tribes were deployed in the North East to protect the region from Uzbek raids, Some Azeri and possibly Kurdish tribes were given lands in the south 1-because of their loyalty to Shah Ismail 2- To defend the region from Portuguese and Spanish incursions.

    Yes, they were mixed. Some Qizilbash were of Anatolian, Iraqi and Levantine Turkmen origin.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=qc...ersian&f=false
    What happened to Oghuz Turks in Azerbaijan who didn't had any Anatolian/Iraqi/Levantine origin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barnacle View Post
    What can you tell me about the Qizilbash that arrived in afghsnistsn? My grandmother was one.
    The majority of them was made up of Turkoman and Tajik tribes. The thing is the Afghanistan Qizilbash dont identify themselves as Tajik at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    The majority of them was made up of Turkoman and Tajik tribes. The thing is the Afghanistan Qizilbash dont identify themselves as Tajik at all.
    Actually I think it depended where they settled. A lot of Qizilbash assimilated withihn the local population and even hid their true identity which was a Shia, to avoid prosecution. Some got pashtunified and seem persianized.

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