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    i know this is a thread about 23 and me missing German heritage in their ethnicity results but I have the opposite problem. My ancestry is overwhelmingly British isles and yet 23 and me gives me a whopping 20% French and german when it should be in the 5-10% range going by paper trail. I get the same thing on a lot of the gedmatch calculators as well which seem to want to tell me I’m german or Dutch instead of clustering me with English samples. It’s frustrating for us Americans when it comes to these DNA results but maybe since living DNA puts east anglia as my number one category I just have a lot of Anglo Saxon ancestry.

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    I am the opposite, 23andme gives me between 12 and 20% german, french....which is only tyrolese, austrian and swiss.....i have no french


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    My F&G is at 23% plus change. I’ve got a full French grandma and full German grandma. They both have about 44% F&G. My French grandma was born in north-central France, the rest of her results are like 25% B&I plus 10% Spanish and Portuguese. My German grandma has 14% Scandinavian plus like 10% B&I. Seems low for both, but after reviewing the heat maps on Eupedia they start to make a little sense.

    My French grandma, mom and myself do not have France as a RAL, I suspect lack of DNA matches to cluster this in our case. I think I only have 19 shared matches with my grandma, including my mom and first cousin.

    Ancestry is as clear as mud to me. I have 32% Germanic Europe, 12% England, 2% France. I don’t know what is buried where there.
    Maternal grandfather: born in Leningrad Oblast, Russia (1928)
    Maternal grandmother: born in Centre-Val de Loire, France (1927) - earliest documented ancestor (1770) Indre, France
    Paternal grandmother: born in the US - earliest documented ancestors (c. 1800) Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Lower Saxony
    Paternal grandfather: born in the US - paternal grandparents born in Danzig (c. 1854), maternal grandparents born in Kolding, Denmark 1875, maternal great grandma born in Lindberg, Sweden 1849

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    My paternal uncle just got his 23andMe Ancestry Composition report. His "French & German" regions report was much more specific than mine (yay!). Mine just said Switzerland but his said the Canton of Bern (Switzerland) and Baden-Württemberg (Germany). I'm curious if anyone with results including the Canton of Bern (or any other northern cantons in Switzerland) also has Baden-Württemberg (Germany). I am speculating these genetic profiles are remnants of the Alemanni (?).
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    That's funny because I get assigned WAY too much german/french, especially after the beta update. All of my parents/grandparents lineages are mostly all from the British isles, I only have like 3 ancestors on my family tree that originate from Germany, and I have a 3x great grandfather from southern France born in 1850. I get a whopping 35% german and french which is ridiculous. I should also mention that almost all of my ancestors from the British Isles are from lowland Scotland and not from southern/eastern England so there is very little Anglo Saxon influence. I actually deleted my 23andme account last week because they're so terrible, Ancestrydna all the way.

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    If you have roots to Germany then why do DNA results matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent clements View Post
    i know this is a thread about 23 and me missing German heritage in their ethnicity results but I have the opposite problem. My ancestry is overwhelmingly British isles and yet 23 and me gives me a whopping 20% French and german when it should be in the 5-10% range going by paper trail. I get the same thing on a lot of the gedmatch calculators as well which seem to want to tell me I’m german or Dutch instead of clustering me with English samples. It’s frustrating for us Americans when it comes to these DNA results but maybe since living DNA puts east anglia as my number one category I just have a lot of Anglo Saxon ancestry.
    What everyone should remember is that no company is able to use ancestral populations for their reference panels. Panels are composed of people who are either still alive or died only recently (within the past few years).

    In contrast to this, those of us who live in colonial nations -- such as the U.S. -- may not have ties to Europe since the 18th or 19th centuries. Comparing us to modern European populations in order to determine our ancestry ignores the fact that there has been movement within Europe since the time our ancestors left -- whether the testing companies want to acknowledge it or not.

    There is a reason, after all, that Ancestry's map of the "England, Wales & Northwestern Europe" region covers as much of the continent as it does, and that reason is not immigration from England and Wales.

    My own ancestry on paper is 40.6% British & Irish (I don't even try to separate the two since I can't), 34.4% German, 12.5% Spanish (Menorcan), 6.25% Alsatian, 3.1% French, 1.2% Swiss, and 2.0% Native American.

    23andMe's most recent update claims 36.4% "French & German", 32.0% "British & Irish", 20.6% "broadly northwestern European", 0.6% "Finnish", 0.1% "Eastern European", 4.7% total "Southern European, 2.9% "broadly European", 2.1% "Native American", and 0.2% "trace". The "Southern European" is broken down as just 1.8% "Spanish & Portuguese", 1.1% "Greek & Balkan", and 1.8% "broadly southern European".

    Since Menorca is part of the Catalan region of Spain and as such shows strong French influence, it's reasonable to suppose that some of my Menorcan ancestry ended up being labeled as either "French & German" or "broadly northwestern European", or as "broadly European".

    Ancestry was even further off: 80% "England, Wales & Northwestern Europe", 11% "Ireland & Scotland", 6% "Germanic Europe", 2% "Native American", and 1% "Finland". There is nothing here of either Spanish or French ancestry (though there was 1% "Spanish" in the "hidden" update that may or may not end up as the real update), and far too little of German. Clearly, most of my German ancestry has been identified under "England, Wales & Northwestern Europe". I would not mind that quite so much if it weren't absolutely clear that Ancestry considers this category to be exactly the same as their previous "Great Britain" category.

    Even if we considered no one but my maternal grandmother, who was close to 100% German by ancestry, I'd be closer to 25% German. But, my grandfather -- the same one who passed on my father's German-derived surname -- was about half German, half Scots-Irish.

    So if 23andMe has a "German problem", it's far less of one that Ancestry's "German problem". In my view, Ancestry has very much of a "British problem". But of course, for anyone who is mostly or fully British, this isn't exactly a problem.
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

    GB

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