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    This is a fun topic, thanks for starting it Piquerobi

    Not that long ago on another site, I read that my surname and all variations (Whalen, Whelan, Whealen, Phalen, Phelan, O'Phalen, Wheelan ect) was the 49th most common surname in Ireland today

    This 'forbearers' site does not even have Ireland listed so that is a major problem, although I do not doubt that US., Canada and Australia have more now, but they can find 6 in china but none in the Emerald Isle? hmmmmm

    The other interesting thing is when I hit the 1901 tab, Ireland did pop up and it showed 64 incidences, a 1:69000 and 5,108 'rank in nation'



    Country Incidence Frequency Rank in Nation
    United States 29,434 1: 10,881 1,315
    Canada 5,532 1: 6,404 904
    England 559 1: 96,601 11,178
    Australia 420 1: 56,110 6,861
    Scotland 151 1: 35,099 3,984
    New Zealand 90 1: 50,519 7,953
    Netherlands 31 1: 543,994 52,947
    Spain 8 1: 5,813,475 103,759
    China 7 1: 195,170,000 6,072
    Bermuda 6 1: 10,706 1,346

    Canada has the highest concentration of us Whalen's, and that does not surprise me, hell, I even have another 'Michael Whalen' in my small northern ontario town, (no relation) so its easy to believe there are lots of us

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    Mike,

    When I look at the 1901 census I see the following:
    Whalen: 64
    Whelan: 8,187
    Whealan: 36
    Wheelen: 11
    Wheelan: 96
    Phelan: 4,599
    Phalan: 1
    O'Phelan: 6

    What's evident is Whelan/Phelan are dominant angliscations of Ó Faoláin in Ireland. Interesting when you consider that the vowel diagraph "ao" has two realisations depending on dialects. In Connacht/Ulster it's prononunced as long i eg í (ee in english), in munster it's prononunced as a long e eg é (ay as in say/day in english)
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    My surname the way it is currently spelled:

    Country Incidence Frequency Rank in Nation
    United States 205,028 1: 1,562 116
    England 45,085 1: 1,198 93
    South Africa 22,629 1: 2,386 292
    Australia 21,791 1: 1,081 86
    Canada 16,917 1: 2,094 199
    Belgium 11,314 1: 990 27
    Netherlands 8,292 1: 2,034 131
    Nigeria 8,100 1: 22,039 3,048
    Sierra Leone 4,346 1: 1,424 174
    New Zealand 4,064 1: 1,119 94

    (I was surprised that it is ranked number 27 in Belgium. That's pretty high.)

    My surname with what I believe was the original spelling:

    Country Incidence Frequency Rank in Nation
    United States 159,716 1: 2,005 176
    England 22,489 1: 2,401 269
    Australia 14,009 1: 1,682 178
    Nigeria 7,642 1: 23,360 3,199
    Canada 7,239 1: 4,894 656
    South Africa 6,392 1: 8,448 1,033
    Ghana 3,754 1: 7,204 927
    Wales 3,206 1: 967 76
    Jamaica 2,624 1: 1,036 175
    New Zealand 2,608 1: 1,743 201
     


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    United States of America Northern Ireland Scotland England North of England Ireland Wales
    United States 758,759 1: 422 12
    England 79,292 1: 681 32
    Canada 43,233 1: 819 28
    Australia 37,869 1: 622 32
    Nigeria 31,790 1: 5,616 825
    South Africa 21,223 1: 2,545 324
    Liberia 16,296 1: 270 20
    Ireland 9,559 1: 481 58
    Ghana 8,148 1: 3,319 488
    Northern Ireland 7,130 1: 252 10
    Scotland 6,314 1: 839 86
    New Zealand 5,640 1: 806 42
    Sierra Leone 5,015 1: 1,234 154
    Wales 4,143 1: 748 51

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    Thanks Dubh!
    that is very interesting your notes on regional pronunciation...my original spelling was Whealen, as written by my GGGpa Patrick Whealen, who was born in Ireland and emigrated to Canada in the early 1800's...and as many things Irish, it gets tricky and complicated and difficult to know what some things mean!

    ...We still don't know where he was born, but we do know that Patrick worked and lived and eventually married a girl (Deborah Collins) from Northern Tipperary Co., Munster Province, which certainly fits with your regional model

    My Gma Whalen told me when I was a kid that the spelling of Whalen/Whelan was code for what religion you were....Protestants was Whalen, Catholics was Whelan
    We were Protestants, strong Orange lodge

    But, I doubt she knew that GGpa Patrick had been born a Catholic and turned protestant ( I think to marry and elope with his protestant wife)!!
    ...in a contemporary letter from a close nephew of his, I discovered that little bombshell after a long pen and paper genealogy hunt, and it was noted he became a 'great Orange man'...I do know that half of his large tomb stone was covered in the Orange lodge symbol, but that info had been lost (buried?) for the younger generations.

    One last mystery about my personal surname is Patrick and Deborah had 13 children, all but the last child actually spelled their name Whalen and not as I know for a fact how their parents spelled their surname (I have the land receipt and purchase deed for Patrick's first land in Canada and also his last Will and Testament, all clearly showing in his hand he spelled his name Whealen).

    These kids had their names at birth registered as Whalen with the 'new' spelling, so it must have been the parents choice...why?
    no bloody clue, unless it had become the unofficial convention of the Irish immigrants that the spelling of the name would reflect the religion of the person, as my gma told me...no proof of course, but lots in interesting conjecture!

    anyway Dubh, do you (or anyone esle) know of any possible religious linked spelling of the name? I know there are alot more Whelans in Ireland than Whalens, and of course, there are alot more Catholics than protestants, but one fact might not at all be linked to the other.

    Thanks again

    Mike


    Quote Originally Posted by Dubhthach View Post
    Mike,

    When I look at the 1901 census I see the following:
    Whalen: 64
    Whelan: 8,187
    Whealan: 36
    Wheelen: 11
    Wheelan: 96
    Phelan: 4,599
    Phalan: 1
    O'Phelan: 6

    What's evident is Whelan/Phelan are dominant angliscations of Ó Faoláin in Ireland. Interesting when you consider that the vowel diagraph "ao" has two realisations depending on dialects. In Connacht/Ulster it's prononunced as long i eg í (ee in english), in munster it's prononunced as a long e eg é (ay as in say/day in english)
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

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    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
    Thanks Dubh!
    that is very interesting your notes on regional pronunciation...my original spelling was Whealen, as written by my GGGpa Patrick Whealen, who was born in Ireland and emigrated to Canada in the early 1800's...and as many things Irish, it gets tricky and complicated and difficult to know what some things mean!

    ...We still don't know where he was born, but we do know that Patrick worked and lived and eventually married a girl (Deborah Collins) from Northern Tipperary Co., Munster Province, which certainly fits with your regional model

    My Gma Whalen told me when I was a kid that the spelling of Whalen/Whelan was code for what religion you were....Protestants was Whalen, Catholics was Whelan
    We were Protestants, strong Orange lodge

    But, I doubt she knew that GGpa Patrick had been born a Catholic and turned protestant ( I think to marry and elope with his protestant wife)!!
    ...in a contemporary letter from a close nephew of his, I discovered that little bombshell after a long pen and paper genealogy hunt, and it was noted he became a 'great Orange man'...I do know that half of his large tomb stone was covered in the Orange lodge symbol, but that info had been lost (buried?) for the younger generations.

    One last mystery about my personal surname is Patrick and Deborah had 13 children, all but the last child actually spelled their name Whalen and not as I know for a fact how their parents spelled their surname (I have the land receipt and purchase deed for Patrick's first land in Canada and also his last Will and Testament, all clearly showing in his hand he spelled his name Whealen).

    These kids had their names at birth registered as Whalen with the 'new' spelling, so it must have been the parents choice...why?
    no bloody clue, unless it had become the unofficial convention of the Irish immigrants that the spelling of the name would reflect the religion of the person, as my gma told me...no proof of course, but lots in interesting conjecture!

    anyway Dubh, do you (or anyone esle) know of any possible religious linked spelling of the name? I know there are alot more Whelans in Ireland than Whalens, and of course, there are alot more Catholics than protestants, but one fact might not at all be linked to the other.

    Thanks again

    Mike
    Well when I look at the 1901 census, you can filter by religion, in case of the 64 Whalen's listed 59 have "Roman Catholic" down as their religion. The name never the less is a "Gaelic Irish" one, Collins likewise can be a Gaelic Irish surname, in 1901 there were 324 in Tipperary, 319 of these are marked down as Roman Catholic.

    I would think any talk about religion been linked to spelling is perhaps more of an outcome of situation in Canada (and other emigrant destinations). If you talking about early 19th century it would often make sense to "convert" so as to fit in societal speaking to what was "WASP" (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) type society.

    Either way surname is of obvious Gaelic Irish origin, and long predates the reformation
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    When following a surname through successive years of US Census I have sometimes seen a particular spelling become more standard over time. I have wondered if this was the family choosing a standard spelling or census enumerators standardizing the spelling. I have noticed this phenomenon occur between about 1850 and 1900.
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    yes, your right of course...in fact, when I was researching my little family history book, i found some facinating things about the root of our ancient Irish surname...after a longish description of the historical/mythical beginnings of the surname Faolain and its mention in the famous Irish Annals, I wrote...

    "In any case, the original Faoláin noted in the Annals was the 19th direct descendant of Fiacha Suidhe who was in turn a younger son of the 108th Milesian Monarchs of Ireland Fedhlimidh (Felim) Rachtmar and seemingly the youngest brother of the 109th High King Conn Ceadcathach. Using very rough calculations, it seems our name first occurred around 820 A.D. Four generations later, Ó Faoláin is used as a surname in the Annals the very first time, and he is the Great Great grandson of the Faoláin. Not coincidentally, this occurs around 1070 A.D., just after the Norman Invasion of England and William the Conqueror’s instituting the practice of using Surnames.

    This made it one of the first ever used surnames in Irish history, well, that's been recorded
    anyway

    I do suspect my Gma Whalen's 'religious' rule was more of a localized thing in the new country ( handful of Irish concentrated area's in southern Ontario)...it seems to me it would not be needed in Ireland, as everyone knew who everyone was, but as new immigrants, often thrown together by circumstance or by virtue of the cheapest land available, they might very well settle on a mutually agreeable tradition to help keep 'things straight'

    Mike
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    Country Incidence Frequency Rank in Nation
    United States 22,723 1: 14,095 1,741
    Ireland 7,223 1: 636 91
    England 5,636 1: 9,581 1,403
    Australia 2,817 1: 8,366 1,119
    Canada 2,507 1: 14,131 2,018
    Germany 572 1: 141,112 18,206
    Wales 474 1: 6,540 805
    Scotland 440 1: 12,045 1,655
    New Zealand 398 1: 11,424 1,898
    South Africa 384 1: 140,630 16,034

    Highest frequency in Ireland
    The Annals of Ireland states that it is an family of Eranaghs eg. they managed and farmed monastic land.
    This is recorded in family history, annals and even continental monastic settlements.
    If you plot the frequency in the 1901 census against a map of monastic settlements they overlap very neatly.
    Thanks to Howard Mathieson for the map.

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