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    My surname is of arabic origin like most afghan surnames but still surprisingly most common in Afghanistan according to this statistics.
    Afghanistan 12,971 1: 2,006 243
    Algeria 11,157 1: 3,469 451
    Morocco 4,229 1: 7,886 1,058
    Iran 4,197 1: 18,504 2,658
    France 3,404 1: 19,377 2,114
    Indonesia 2,908 1: 86,714 4,906
    Albania 2,217 1: 1,306 162
    Malaysia 1,138 1: 26,567 2,313
    Israel 719 1: 11,414 1,577
    Macedonia 537 1: 3,840 666
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    My surname is pretty rare, it wasn't even found in the database, so here are three variants of my surname:

    Variant n°1
    2,339,528th most common surname in the world

    Approximately 24 people bear this surname

    Most prevalent in:Russia
    Highest density in:Russia


    Country Incidence Frequency Rank in Nation
    Russia 23 1: 6,350,800 313,372
    Germany 1 1: 80,716,000 172,258
    Variant n°2
    3,164,394th most common surname in the world

    Approximately 11 people bear this surname

    Most prevalent in:Belarus
    Highest density in:Belarus


    Country Incidence Frequency Rank in Nation
    Belarus 11 1: 860,836 72,915
    Variant n°3
    1,204,932nd most common surname in the world

    Approximately 106 people bear this surname

    Most prevalent in:United States
    Highest density in:Israel


    Country Incidence Frequency Rank in Nation
    United States 95 1: 3,371,265 196,175
    Ukraine 4 1: 10,706,471 381,097
    Russia 4 1: 36,517,100 720,003
    Israel 3 1: 2,735,467 26,321
    Kind of funny really, since I discovered about a year ago that there was an entire community using my surname as some sort of traditional label... I guess that's because they came from the same town in Belarus (well, it used to be Lithuania back then).
    Anyway, most Ashkenazi surnames aren't real surnames, they're kinnuim.

    My mother's maiden is far more common though:

    1,434th most common surname in the world

    Approximately 374,314 people bear this surname

    Most prevalent in:England
    Highest density in:Barbados

    Country Incidence Frequency Rank in Nation
    England 89,337 1: 604 24
    United States 82,255 1: 3,894 409
    Australia 38,565 1: 611 29
    Canada 33,850 1: 1,047 55
    Jamaica 25,254 1: 108 7
    South Africa 20,364 1: 2,652 339
    Liberia 11,246 1: 391 44
    Ireland 10,591 1: 434 49
    Nigeria 6,878 1: 25,955 3,520
    New Zealand 5,571 1: 816 44
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    genealogists state my surname came from

    http://www.coroparrocchialetassullo....ogia/PretH.htm

    first mentioned year 1218 .............I have seen no conclusive proof.

    even using extensions to the surname of.... to, igo, otto, ato, is, olin, ol etc in the areas of northern Italy, there still seems less than 1000 people

    The last in the area of the above was
    l’ultimo dei Pret abitava a Tres già nel 1599, ..................1599 in the town of Tres.



    although there is also a french part .................I cannot read french, but I was given this


    Illustre et ancienne maison, originaire de la Marck dans les Ardennes et descendant des comtes d'Altemberg puissants au XIème siècle. Robert IV duc de Bouillon, maréchal de France, épousa le 19 janvier 1538 Françoise de Brezé comtesse de Malevrier, fille de Louis, gouverneur de Normandie et de Diane de Poitiers, duchesse de Valentinois, dame de la baronnie d'Arlempdes. Son fils ainé, Henri Robert duc de Bouillon, prince de Sedan, chevalier des ordres du roi, gouverneur de Normandie, baron d'Arlempdes (1583), fut le père de Charlotte duchesse de Bouillon, princesse de Sedan, marié le 15 octobre 1591 à Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne vicomte de Turenne, baron de Bouzols et des Etats du Velay, maréchal de France, etc.. Son second fils Charles-Robert, comte de Maulevrier, duc de Bouillon après son frère fut baron d'Arlempdes en Velay et vendit cette terre (1604), à François de Fléhard seigneur de Montiniral en Dauphiné.


    EDIT: I just found 2371 in the french area of Vienne under the region of poitou
    Vienne 2371 91.62%
    Charente 76 2.94%
    Deux Sèvres 71 2.74%
    Charente Maritime 70 2.7%
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    European = 99.2%............Central Asian = 0.8% .............Yfull - 1460BC
    Father's Mtdna .........T2b17
    Grandfather's Mtdna .......T1a1e
    Sons Mtdna .......K1a4
    Maternal Grandfather paternal......I1d-P109...CTS6009
    Wife's Ydna .....R1a-Z282

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS54+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, Y70078+ )

    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    The two name system confused me initially when starting to research my family tree. I am not, but one branch is Ashkenazi, from then Pomerania. Their "trail" ends for me in Jastrow, when surnames were first adopted for this family in 1812 or so.

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    My surname is reputed to have Crusader origins, perhaps as a reward for servitude, explaining its Biblical origins. This is the family legend from members of the old country (County Devon). There is also the possibility that is derived of a Norman lord or Knight of some sort. For all I know, I could just be the descendant of a commoner who adopted a prestigious name

    At any rate here are my stats..

    1,783rd most common
    surname in the world

    Approximately 303,964
    people bear this surname

    Nigeria 112,028 1: 1,594 187
    Uganda 35,288 1: 1,002 100
    United States 19,063 1: 16,801 2,120
    Egypt 11,951 1: 7,278 872
    Ghana 8,627 1: 3,135 466
    Sudan 7,732 1: 4,823 567
    Haiti 7,597 1: 1,414 176
    Philippines 7,089 1: 14,120 1,506
    Angola 6,603 1: 2,905 363
    Brazil 6,233 1: 32,570 2,360
     
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    EEF 49.22068981
    WHG 35.89409732
    ANE 14.88521287


    Eurogenes K7:
    WHG 61.67%
    ENF 19.35%
    ANE 15.21%


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    My surname is reputed to have Crusader origins, perhaps as a reward for servitude, explaining its Biblical origins. This is the family legend from members of the old country (County Devon). There is also the possibility that is derived of a Norman lord or Knight of some sort. For all I know, I could just be the descendant of a commoner who adopted a prestigious name

    At any rate here are my stats..

    1,783rd most common
    surname in the world

    Approximately 303,964
    people bear this surname

    Nigeria 112,028 1: 1,594 187
    Uganda 35,288 1: 1,002 100
    United States 19,063 1: 16,801 2,120
    Egypt 11,951 1: 7,278 872
    Ghana 8,627 1: 3,135 466
    Sudan 7,732 1: 4,823 567
    Haiti 7,597 1: 1,414 176
    Philippines 7,089 1: 14,120 1,506
    Angola 6,603 1: 2,905 363
    Brazil 6,233 1: 32,570 2,360
    True story: I think your surname is actually in my family tree. I might PM about it...not sure if we're related, but it's interesting to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Ibis View Post
    True story: I think your surname is actually in my family tree. I might PM about it...not sure if we're related, but it's interesting to me.
    Yes, please do! I prefer to leave no stone unturned!
     
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    EEF 49.22068981
    WHG 35.89409732
    ANE 14.88521287


    Eurogenes K7:
    WHG 61.67%
    ENF 19.35%
    ANE 15.21%


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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
    yes, your right of course...in fact, when I was researching my little family history book, i found some facinating things about the root of our ancient Irish surname...after a longish description of the historical/mythical beginnings of the surname Faolain and its mention in the famous Irish Annals, I wrote...

    "In any case, the original Faoláin noted in the Annals was the 19th direct descendant of Fiacha Suidhe who was in turn a younger son of the 108th Milesian Monarchs of Ireland Fedhlimidh (Felim) Rachtmar and seemingly the youngest brother of the 109th High King Conn Ceadcathach. Using very rough calculations, it seems our name first occurred around 820 A.D. Four generations later, Ó Faoláin is used as a surname in the Annals the very first time, and he is the Great Great grandson of the Faoláin. Not coincidentally, this occurs around 1070 A.D., just after the Norman Invasion of England and William the Conqueror’s instituting the practice of using Surnames.

    This made it one of the first ever used surnames in Irish history, well, that's been recorded
    anyway

    I do suspect my Gma Whalen's 'religious' rule was more of a localized thing in the new country ( handful of Irish concentrated area's in southern Ontario)...it seems to me it would not be needed in Ireland, as everyone knew who everyone was, but as new immigrants, often thrown together by circumstance or by virtue of the cheapest land available, they might very well settle on a mutually agreeable tradition to help keep 'things straight'

    Mike
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    Some notes, the actual personal name is Faolán, which is combination of words Faol (wolf) with dimunitive suffix -án so litteral translation would be "Little Wolf", however that's been literal, so when I called my son Marcus I wasn't thinking he was going to be devotee of god Mars

    Irish like Latin and other European languages has a case system, so the "genitive case" (which marks possession) for Faolán is Faoláin (the i "slenderizes" the n, leading to slight difference in how it's prononuced). Genitive case is used when forming surnames so

    ua Faoláin (grandson of Faoláin) eventually became Ua Faoláin (descendant of Faoláin -- eg. not restricted to just actual grandsons). In modern Irish Ua is generally written as Ó -- thence modern form of Ó Faoláin
    Here's a clip of native speaker form Conamara pronouncing the name:
    http://forvo.com/word/%C3%B3_faol%C3%A1in/

    Anyways the plural for Ua/Ó is , thence if you were to say Children of Faolán you would say "Clann Uí Fhaoláin" (fh = deletion/silent), "Uí" is also used by married women, "Mrs Whelan" is "Bean Uí Fhaoláin" (The woman of Ó Faoláin) -- Bean prononunced like english "ban"

    Anyways as should be noted the Cambro-Norman's arrive in IReland 100 years after William the Conqueor (1169), the earliest strata of Irish surnames date to 10th century, with most of major ones in existence by mid 11th century.
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    Surnames in tribal Arab communities is not a fixed concept in time, it varies between generations. If I'm not mistaken, a person's full surname would be: ibn/bint [father's name] ibn [grandfather's name] ibn [great grandfather's name], all the way to as far as you can go? And I think the short version of your surname would be your grandfather's name? Since in the west your surname is the same as your father's, I guess I adopted my great grandfather's name as a result. But I think my real surname would be my grandfather's name. In all honestly, I don't know. Regardless, since there is no continuity it doesn't mean much for me.

    Anyways, I couldn't find the spelling of my surname on this site. However if I'm reading these other spellings correctly, then I guess its the same surname. The results show it is the most prevalent in Lebanon, and found in trivial amounts in Arab & first world countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    My surname is reputed to have Crusader origins, perhaps as a reward for servitude, explaining its Biblical origins.
    The same here. And people often think it comes from the "tribe". When I tell them it does not, somehow it only reinforces their belief in that.
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