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    Bronze Age Bulgarian

    From Davidski's blog
    Alberto suggests that this sample is from Iron Age.

    Thanks, that sample seems to be P192-1. I think that's a real Thracian sample, from the Iron Age (800-500 BC). It does seem to have a low amount of ANE (8-10%?),
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    Indeed, in regards to the Balkans being something unique during the Bronze Age, I also don't think so. This is where a Bronze Age Bulgarian clusters on the usual type of West Eurasian PCA (just west of Tuscans)...



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    http://docslide.us/science/decoding-...equencing.html

    So Bronze Age Bulgarians weren't all that different from Bronze Age Hungarians, just more southern.

    That sample does clearly have some ANE, because it's shifted east of Sardinians, but it obviously doesn't look very Balkan. That's probably because it lacks the West Asian proper admixture that arrived in southeastern Europe during the Iron Age and early Medieval period.

    For comparison, a similar type of PCA featuring a variety of other ancient samples:


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    The Balkans occupies a unique transit area in Europe. The LBK supposedly had its' origins there in the Early Neolithic. Going by Mallory & Anthony and the Pontic-Caspian steppe hypothesis, speakers of proto-Anatolian would have moved through the Balkans to arrive in modern Turkey.

    It would be useful for the discussion to qualify the specific time period we're dealing with, here. Is this ancient Bulgarian sample from the Bronze age (stage?) or Iron Age, as Alberto suggests? Given the distinct cultures that have traversed this territory, having some chronological anchorage would be useful here.

    Thanks for posting this, by the way!
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    He's a little west of the bridge that connects the Near East and Europe. Most Italian and Balkan people fit around that bridge. So, he could be fairly similar to modern Balkan, maybe not Bulgarian, people. But this is just one PCA.

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    If my understanding is correct his Western shift toward Sardinia means that ANE had some difficulty to infiltrate into densely populated ENF Balkans. And the flow of ANE continued later also from Steppe/North but also probably through Anatolia.

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    I gathered some information
    This is the P192-1 from a previous study.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3824117/

    His Y DNA: H1b1-Z14031 mtDNA: U3b

    Sample P192-1 was found at the site of a pit sanctuary near Svilengrad, Bulgaria, excavated between 2004 and 2006. The pits are associated with the Thracian culture and date to the Early Iron Age (800–500 BC) based on pottery found in the pits
    admixture of 192.1 see below
    K12b

    45.82% Caucasus
    26.87% Atlantic_Med
    21.68% North_European
    2.36% Sub_Saharan
    2.01% Northwest_African
    1.26% Siberian
    They were other samples in this study. This one was the most Sardinian shifted.

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