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    R-U106 in Great Britain: Distribution map

    Here's my map on U106 distribution in Great Britain. I took the data from the British Isles' FTDNA Project and counted all U106+ plus all U106+ with DYS492 = 13 samples and excluded those R1b's with DYS492 = 13 of which I could determine their U106- status.

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    globally sensible but I'm amazed by some spots in some regions; and the "holes" in East-Anglia and N-E Yrokshire: would only the Danes be responsible for this lack? and Cornwall denser than Devon? result of recent settlings of English "tourists"? Wales is more expected...
    ; have you more or less or different data than Maciamo on Eupedia Forum?
    Thanks nevertheless

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    I can see the influence of my great great great grandfather there in Bideford in northern Devon. That sample size is very small though, you would find more by looking at the u106, z18, and individual county projects like the Devon project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moesan View Post
    globally sensible but I'm amazed by some spots in some regions; and the "holes" in East-Anglia and N-E Yrokshire: would only the Danes be responsible for this lack? and Cornwall denser than Devon? result of recent settlings of English "tourists"? Wales is more expected...
    ; have you more or less or different data than Maciamo on Eupedia Forum?
    Thanks nevertheless
    It seems that this lineage is concentrated more on the borders of Anglo-Saxon England, like a human barrier against eventual Pictish and Welsh invasions.

    Regarding data, I don't think Maciamo had a lot to work with. There are only a handful of studies reporting U106 figures for Great Britain. So this is probably the first thorough insight into this haplogroup's local distribution, although I admit that sample sizes are not very big.

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    I have mentioned this elsewhere before, but a lot of caution needs to be exercised in creating and using maps based on data from FTDNA projects. Mdka info comes from individual project members, and the degree of genealogical rigor applied in obtaining and verifying ancestral info varies wildly. Some of it is solid and can be taken to the bank, but some of it is highly suspect, and some of that is just pure fantasy. Some members are just guessing based on some pedigree posted on Ancestry or some half-assed family tradition. Very often they really do not know for sure that the mdka they have listed is really their ancestor and if he was really born where they think he was or hope he was.

    Anyone who has been an FTDNA project admin can testify to these things.

    Maps derived from actual scientific population studies are just far more reliable than those derived from FTDNA project data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passa View Post
    It seems that this lineage is concentrated more on the borders of Anglo-Saxon England, like a human barrier against eventual Pictish and Welsh invasions.

    Regarding data, I don't think Maciamo had a lot to work with. There are only a handful of studies reporting U106 figures for Great Britain. So this is probably the first thorough insight into this haplogroup's local distribution, although I admit that sample sizes are not very big.
    Passa,

    Your map does show some similarity with this one posted by Dubhtacht a few years ago. I think his was based on the Busby samples and it does show more of a cline from the south east of England, but both maps do pick up on the low frequencies in Wales and Western Scotland.


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    Quote Originally Posted by avalon View Post
    Passa,

    Your map does show some similarity with this one posted by Dubhtacht a few years ago. I think his was based on the Busby samples and it does show more of a cline from the south east of England, but both maps do pick up on the low frequencies in Wales and Western Scotland.


    This map is very interesting.

    The pockets of U106 on the Northern French coasts could be linked to the Litus Saxonicum, but difficult to be sure, the North German tribes and the Scandinavians were very close. Without forgetting that the Danes in Danelaw, before coming in Normandy were already mixed with the Anglo-Saxons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    This map is very interesting.

    The pockets of U106 on the Northern French coasts could be linked to the Litus Saxonicum, but difficult to be sure, the North German tribes and the Scandinavians were very close. Without forgetting that the Danes in Danelaw, before coming in Normandy were already mixed with the Anglo-Saxons
    French history is not my strong point but I do think that U106 is a good bet for a Germanic marker. It has been discussed many times before but in the Isles it is at low frequencies in exactly the places we would expect it to be - Ireland, Western Scotland, North Wales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avalon View Post
    Passa,

    Your map does show some similarity with this one posted by Dubhtacht a few years ago. I think his was based on the Busby samples and it does show more of a cline from the south east of England, but both maps do pick up on the low frequencies in Wales and Western Scotland.

    If I understand well, the stars represent locations, and I can't see any star in the SE of England, so the high frequency of U106 was placed there only to reflect the author's assumptions. Instead I did not make my map fit what I thought was adequate for me.

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    The map comes from Busby, here is map of Busby sample points in Britain and Ireland using the Lat/Long in spreadsheet beside each sample point:





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