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    Discussion- First ancient genome from Mediterranean region

    http://m.phys.org/news/2015-09-ancie...nean-area.html
    Light skin, dark eyes and hair.
    Contrasting with La Brana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    Covered by Razib Khan : http://www.unz.com/gnxp/spaniards-ar...first-farmers/

    I was going to do some reanalysis of Botigue et al.’s data set, when this paper came out: A common genetic origin for early farmers from Mediterranean Cardial and Central European LBK cultures. This inference comes from a whole-genome sequence of an ancient DNA sample. Specifically a 7,400 year-old Cardial individual (CB13) from the environs of modern Barcelona. The paper is open access, so read the whole thing yourself, it’s short. But the results are clear above. This individual has affinities with modern Sardinians more than any other modern groups. Second, come the Basques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    From the paper:
    This paper deserves it's own thread.

    Another interesting entry -

    CB13 shows the ancestral variant associated with the inability to digest milk during adulthood (Itan et al. 2009); sharing this trait with all Neolithic individuals analysed to date (Gamba et al. 2014; Lazaridis et al. 2014).
    The mtDNA of 6 individuals from Cardial Iberian sites

    Olalde mtdna.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b View Post
    This paper deserves it's own thread.

    Another interesting entry -



    The mtDNA of 6 individuals from Cardial Iberian sites

    Olalde mtdna.jpg
    A lot of H..Both H3 and H4.

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    I added CB13 to: Pre-Historic West Eurasian Phenotype: 7/7 Neolithic Spanish have Brown eyes and 50%(5/10)) LBK farmers have Blue eyes. Alleles in rs1426654 and rs16891982 look the same among the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    A lot of H..Both H3 and H4.
    H4a1a is the main form of H4 today. H3 has already been found in Early Neolithic Spain, France, and Germany.

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    Unfortunately no Y could be confirmed.
    CB13 shares the same exact mtDNA line as the Els Trocs (Y-R1b V88 related, mtDNA-K1a2a) sample.

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    Too bad no YDNA? If we have CS7675's genome couldn't we get at the YDNA if he's potentially male from morphology? Maybe I'm overlooking something basic...it's been a long week.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    maternal-gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    maternal-gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

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    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    Too bad no YDNA? If we have CS7675's genome couldn't we get at the YDNA if he's potentially male from morphology? Maybe I'm overlooking something basic...it's been a long week.
    This is from page 5 of the PDF.

    Unfortunately, information on the Y-chromosome could not be obtained due to the low genomic coverage of the male samples.
    Take a look at the screenshot again, which I reattached below, which shows the coverage of the specimens. Only CB13 had 1x coverage and that is the specimen used for comparisons to other ancient specimens. Even coverage at 1x is pretty low but enough for the comparisons but the DNA they were able to extract was way too little to test the Y.

    Olalde mtdna.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krefter View Post
    H4a1a is the main form of H4 today. H3 has already been found in Early Neolithic Spain, France, and Germany.
    More evidence that H3 is a Neolithic farmer lineage that originated in Anatolia/Near East. Where is H4a1a most common today? Europe?

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