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    GEDmatch oracles pointing towards Greek/Portuguese admixture?

    I have decided to divert more of my attention towards some other interesting aspects of my genome, specifically the European admixture that shows up in mine and my brothers genomes. The GEDmatch oracles sometimes throw out possible clues towards the origins of the European admixture, but I need some more experienced opinions on this as I haven't worked much with these calculators. Ill post some of the results of interest below and hopefully you can tell me your thoughts on why some populations are showing up.

    Dodecad world 9 (Me)

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 68.5% Syrians (Behar) + 31.5% Kalash @ 1.77
    2 96.5% Iranians (Behar) + 3.5% Pais_Vasco (1000 Genomes) @ 1.89
    3 96.6% Iranians (Behar) + 3.4% French_Basque @ 1.9
    4 96.1% Iranians (Behar) + 3.9% Aragon (1000 Genomes) @ 1.9
    5 95.9% Iranians (Behar) + 4.1% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) @ 1.9
    6 95.6% Iranians (Behar) + 4.4% Brazilian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
    7 96.2% Iranians (Behar) + 3.8% Cantabria (1000 Genomes) @ 1.9
    8 96% Iranians (Behar) + 4% Cataluna (1000 Genomes) @ 1.91
    9 95.9% Iranians (Behar) + 4.1% Galicia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.91
    10 95.8% Iranians (Behar) + 4.2% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 1.91
    11 96% Iranians (Behar) + 4% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000 Genomes) @ 1.91
    12 96% Iranians (Behar) + 4% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 1.91
    13 96% Iranians (Behar) + 4% Valencia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.91
    14 95.9% Iranians (Behar) + 4.1% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.91
    15 95.8% Iranians (Behar) + 4.2% Extremadura (1000 Genomes) @ 1.91
    16 95.7% Iranians (Behar) + 4.3% Baleares (1000 Genomes) @ 1.93
    17 95.8% Iranians (Behar) + 4.2% Andalucia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.93
    18 95.7% Iranians (Behar) + 4.3% Murcia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.93
    19 94.7% Iranians (Behar) + 5.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.94
    20 96.2% Iranians (Behar) + 3.8% French (Dodecad)

    Dodecad world 9 (Brother)

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 95.3% Iranians (Behar) + 4.7% CLM30 @ 2.11
    2 95.7% Iranians (Behar) + 4.3% Sardinian @ 2.12
    3 70.4% Syrians (Behar) + 29.6% Kalash @ 2.18
    4 92.2% Iranians (Behar) + 7.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.2
    5 92.3% Iranians (Behar) + 7.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.22
    6 92.5% Iranians (Behar) + 7.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.22
    7 92.4% Iranians (Behar) + 7.6% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2.22
    8 92.2% Iranians (Behar) + 7.8% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
    9 91.5% Iranians (Behar) + 8.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.24
    10 95.5% Iranians (Behar) + 4.5% Brazilian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
    11 95.6% Iranians (Behar) + 4.4% Canarias (1000 Genomes) @ 2.27
    12 92.1% Iranians (Behar) + 7.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.27
    13 93.7% Iranians (Behar) + 6.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.27
    14 95.6% Iranians (Behar) + 4.4% Murcia (1000 Genomes) @ 2.27
    15 95.8% Iranians (Behar) + 4.2% Colombian @ 2.28
    16 95.9% Iranians (Behar) + 4.1% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000 Genomes) @ 2.3
    17 95.8% Iranians (Behar) + 4.2% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.3
    18 95.9% Iranians (Behar) + 4.1% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) @ 2.3
    19 94.5% Iranians (Behar) + 5.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.3
    20 93% Iranians (Behar) + 7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.31



    MDLP world 22 (Me)

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 88.2% Iranian (derived) + 11.8% Romania (derived) @ 2.5
    2 90.8% Iranian (derived) + 9.2% French (derived) @ 2.75
    3 90.7% Iranian (derived) + 9.3% German-South (derived) @ 2.75
    4 89.7% Iranian (derived) + 10.3% Montenegrin (derived) @ 2.77
    5 89.7% Iranian (derived) + 10.3% Italian_North (derived) @ 2.77
    6 90.1% Iranian (derived) + 9.9% Provancestralal (derived) @ 2.79
    7 91.5% Iranian (derived) + 8.5% British (derived) @ 2.81
    8 88.9% Iranian (derived) + 11.1% Bulgarian (derived) @ 2.82
    9 88.1% Iranian (derived) + 11.9% Gagauz (derived) @ 2.82
    10 90.1% Iranian (derived) + 9.9% Swiss (derived) @ 2.83
    11 90.2% Iranian (derived) + 9.8% Serbian (derived) @ 2.85
    12 89.2% Iranian (derived) + 10.8% Kosovar (derived) @ 2.85
    13 89.5% Iranian (derived) + 10.5% Macedonian (derived) @ 2.86
    14 91.7% Iranian (derived) + 8.3% Welsh (derived) @ 2.86
    15 91.5% Iranian (derived) + 8.5% CEU (derived) @ 2.86
    16 91.8% Iranian (derived) + 8.2% Orcadian (derived) @ 2.87
    17 85.8% Iranian (derived) + 14.2% Greek_North (derived) @ 2.9
    18 91.4% Iranian (derived) + 8.6% Austrian (derived) @ 2.9
    19 78.2% Iranian (derived) + 21.8% Greek_Azov (derived) @ 2.91
    20 91.4% Iranian (derived) + 8.6% German_V (derived) @ 2.92

    MDLP world 22 (Brother)

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 86.8% Iranian (derived) + 13.2% Greek_South (derived) @ 2.47
    2 89.4% Iranian (derived) + 10.6% Romania (derived) @ 2.54
    3 86.9% Iranian (derived) + 13.1% Greek_North (derived) @ 2.56
    4 87.6% Iranian (derived) + 12.4% Ashkenazim_V (derived) @ 2.58
    5 90.6% Iranian (derived) + 9.4% Italian_North (derived) @ 2.64
    6 85.9% Iranian (derived) + 14.1% Jew_Romania (derived) @ 2.67
    7 89.9% Iranian (derived) + 10.1% Bulgarian (derived) @ 2.67
    8 86.8% Iranian (derived) + 13.2% Greek_Center (derived) @ 2.67
    9 89.2% Iranian (derived) + 10.8% Gagauz (derived) @ 2.68
    10 90.7% Iranian (derived) + 9.3% Montenegrin (derived) @ 2.69
    11 90.4% Iranian (derived) + 9.6% Macedonian (derived) @ 2.7
    12 89.9% Iranian (derived) + 10.1% Italian-North (derived) @ 2.71
    13 91.1% Iranian (derived) + 8.9% Provancestralal (derived) @ 2.71
    14 86.3% Iranian (derived) + 13.7% Greek_East (derived) @ 2.71
    15 91.9% Iranian (derived) + 8.1% Spaniard (derived) @ 2.74
    16 91.1% Iranian (derived) + 8.9% Swiss (derived) @ 2.76
    17 91.7% Iranian (derived) + 8.3% Iberian (derived) @ 2.77
    18 91.2% Iranian (derived) + 8.8% Serbian (derived) @ 2.78
    19 90.6% Iranian (derived) + 9.4% Corsican (derived) @ 2.79
    20 90.3% Iranian (derived) + 9.7% Kosovar (derived)



    Questions of interest

    1. How real does the Greek and Portuguese look? they seem to show up a few times in almost all these calculators Ive listed, but I am well aware of how this admixture game can throw up results which are not actually what they seem, such as ancient links and what not.

    2. The french that shows up seems to be a decent bet, because both me and my brother have the same french relative in AF in the same spot and the admixture by chromosome percentages for some of the calculators in GEDmatch list french percentages on the same chromosome as the relative. The relative also matches us both on a European segment in ancestry composition.


    Some of the other stuff that's showing up are expected and go in line with my relatives in 23andme, such as the British,Italian,Spanish and jewish scores. But what about the ones Ive listed, is there a case to make here or is this a common mistaken lead?

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    I wouldn't rely on that. If you don't have at least 30% Iberian at 23andme then there is no way to tell for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b View Post
    I wouldn't rely on that. If you don't have at least 30% Iberian at 23andme then there is no way to tell for sure.


    I definitely dont have that much, because I know for a fact that if this was to be real it would be quite distant (at least 5 generations and no less). 30% would mean extremely recent ancestry which isn't possible for me in this certain case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancestryfan1994 View Post
    I definitely dont have that much, because I know for a fact that if this was to be real it would be quite distant (at least 5 generations and no less). 30% would mean extremely recent ancestry which isn't possible for me in this certain case.
    You're right. I overlooked that it was at a low percentage for Iberian from Oracle too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b View Post
    You're right. I overlooked that it was at a low percentage for Iberian from Oracle too.
    so what do you think? is this possibly legitimate admixture or something else? bare in mind im Iranian, so you can decide whether that makes this result normal and hence not really real Greek/ Portuguese or its something legitimate

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    Post your MDLP k23b, Harappa and ANE K7 ( ADMIXTURE RESULTS + oracles ). Usually Iranians or south asians with higher NE euro get some population close to them genetically + 5-10% euro or something like that in their mixed mode oracles. It's not abnormal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancestryfan1994 View Post
    so what do you think? is this possibly legitimate admixture or something else? bare in mind im Iranian, so you can decide whether that makes this result normal and hence not really real Greek/ Portuguese or its something legitimate
    I don't know what to think. I wish there were a way to tell if it is real or some ancient DNA that is shared with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    Post your MDLP k23b, Harappa and ANE K7 ( ADMIXTURE RESULTS + oracles ). Usually Iranians or south asians with higher NE euro get some population close to them genetically + 5-10% euro or something like that in their mixed mode oracles. It's not abnormal.
    MDLP k23b

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 34.67
    2 South_Central_Asian 25.25
    3 Near_East 15.25
    4 European_Early_Farmers 5.26
    5 South_Indian 4.81
    6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.15
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.44
    8 North_African 2.42
    9 Subsaharian 2.23
    10 Australoid 1.66
    11 East_African 1.03
    12 South_East_Asian 0.87
    13 Amerindian 0.7
    14 Archaic_African 0.12
    15 Khoisan 0.1
    16 Melano_Polynesian 0.04

    ANE K7

    Population
    ANE 17.60%
    ASE 6.02%
    WHG-UHG 6.59%
    East_Eurasian -
    West_African 0.43%
    East_African 3.90%
    ENF 65.46%

    Harappa

    Population
    S-Indian 5.46%
    Baloch 25.88%
    Caucasian 36.93%
    NE-Euro 4.85%
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian -
    NE-Asian 0.77%
    Papuan 1.47%
    American 0.43%
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 6.03%
    SW-Asian 15.57%
    San -
    E-African 0.15%
    Pygmy -
    W-African 2.47%

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    I see. Your results are not that different from the average Iranian. Oracles can be weird sometimes, 1% up or down in a certain component can change your oracle results dramatically. If you don't mind, which city/region from Iran your family hails from ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    I see. Your results are not that different from the average Iranian. Oracles can be weird sometimes, 1% up or down in a certain component can change your oracle results dramatically. If you don't mind, which city/region from Iran your family hails from ?
    Abadan, but before that it was around the outsides of bushehr, so a long history with the port cities.
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