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    K1a-C150T What's it all about?

    I just got my Full Mtdna results back from FTDNA and have been told that I carry a K1a-C150T mtdna lineage.

    Well, now. That's all very well and good but I wish FTDNA could give me more information about its greatest concentration as far as location, what it is presently called by the scholarly community, and if there has been deeper research conducted about its deep origins. Is it quite common or will I need to donate my body to science so that scholars may study my unusual mtdna haplogroup for the superpowers (although in my case quite unmanifested) that it imparts?

    The earliest ancestress from who I received it was a woman named Sophia (don't know her surname) who lived in the first half of the 1700s and may possibly have come from Aug, a small place in Bavaria in Southern Germany with possible links to the South Tyrol. It is also possible she came from the Rhineland.

    Can anyone on this forum shed light about this tiny chunk of long-dead Sophia that powers every cell in my body?

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    Interesting, I also got the same K1a-C150T. I hope somebody can help.

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    Well, now...Akra, you've just blown my mind! I'm really stretching to speculate how you and I could possible be related, but one thing is for sure...we descend from the same lady somewhere up the family tree...so, howdy, my Yemeni cousin from your distant kinsman in subzero Wyoming!

    I have never been able to determine how old our common C150T mutation is, but if it is quite ancient, it may pre-date the emigration of my branch of the family up the Danube River into Europe from the Middle East with other Neolithic farmers.

    I don't know much of anything about the history of Yemen, but could your K1a-C150T ancestress have been a European slave girl brought to your area of the Ottoman Empire sometime during the last 500 years? Was Yemen even part of the Ottoman Empire? It would surely be interesting to see how many estimated years there are between our most recent common ancestor.

    Whatever the case, I am going to do some research into the history of Yemen now that I know I have extremely distant relatives there.

    All the best to you, Sir!

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    K1a-C150T was the type found in an early Neolithic skeleton at Barcın, just south of the Sea of Marmara, in Anatolia. About 6,000 BC.
    Source: Hofmanová et al. Early farmers from across Europe directly descended
    from Neolithic Aegeans, PNAS 2016

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    I also think K1a-C150T is ancient. I only got 6% Asia minor in Geno 2.0 test. Tracing back where it came from will be hard. On these old times, people were constantly moving or forced to move all the time especially in the middle east.
    I obtained the table below from ftdna. All of them share the same mtdna haplogroup.

    Haplogroup Country Count
    K1a-C150T England 7
    K1a-C150T France 5
    K1a-C150T Germany 3
    K1a-C150T Ireland 1
    K1a-C150T Italy 5
    K1a-C150T Norway 1
    K1a-C150T Portugal 1
    K1a-C150T Romania 1
    K1a-C150T Scotland 1
    K1a-C150T Sweden 10
    K1a-C150T Switzerland 1
    K1a-C150T Syrian Arab Republic 1
    K1a-C150T Turkey 1
    K1a-C150T Ukraine 2
    K1a-C150T United Kingdom 1
    K1a-C150T United States 3
    Last edited by Akra20m; 12-19-2016 at 07:04 PM.

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    FTDNA, like 23andme, is several updates behind on the Phylotree (though not as behind as 23andme!) so even those with the FMS test should download their Fasta file and run it through the James Lick mtdna analysis tool to verify their assignment before trying to compare to each other:
    https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/
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    J1c3i mitochondrial ancestress was Swiss Mennonite from Conestoga, Lancaster PA

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    Hi guys read the FAQ on the ftdna H4 project site. You can ignore the H4 specifics but follow up the references. Behar 2012 paper gives the dates of your sub clade for all the identified ones in 2012 in the excel supplement. We were on p93 so if alphabetical then you may be ~120?. If you do not find the date of your 150T mutation then you will find the date of the parent clade. MtDNA requires patience!
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    I just got my mtDNA results from YSEQ laboratory. They say I'm K1a(C150T).

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    Is K1a-C150T just that old and no mutations afterward, or will the 40 some people that are currently listed as K1a-C150T, eventually be named a K1a30 or something?

    FYI: Our K1a-C150T line goes back to the Jamestown/Yorktown area of Virginia, USA in 1655, and one or two generations before that was probably in Ireland. Farthest back name is Margaret McCollough b.1635 (probably in Ireland)
    Last edited by Litz; 02-23-2018 at 09:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litz View Post
    Is K1a-C150T just that old and no mutations afterward, or will the 40 some people that are currently listed as K1a-C150T, eventually be named a K1a30 or something?

    FYI: Our K1a-C150T line goes back to the Jamestown/Yorktown area of Virginia, USA in 1655, and one or two generations before that was probably in Ireland. Farthest back name is Margaret McCollough b.1635 (probably in Ireland)
    My K1a-C150T line goes back to maternal ancestors from South-Western part of Croatia (the province of Lika). They belonged to Serbian ethnic minority from this region of the Balkans.

    There are 4 sub-branches below K1a-C150T. They are: K1a11, K1a24, K1a30 and K1a31. K1a-C150T people need to do deeper testing and find out their particular sub-branch.

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